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Manuel
Joined: 18 Jun 2005
Location: Bremen / Germany
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 Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:27 am Post subject: German citizen seeking any kind of job... |
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Hi Folks 
I found many interesting infos at this forum and hope someone can give me a tip.
I came this April to Korea to join a Korean language and cultural course in Apgujeong / Seoul. It was a 4 week course and spent 1 week around all interesting tourist places to know Korea's point of view on East-Asia history, which is quite different from Japan and China.
In the last week I got a Korean girl-friend who is very, cute, kind and open-minded toward foreigners. So we fall in love with each other. She cannot speak any English and we communicate in Japanese.
She is going to visit me in Germany (have to finish my internship at a huge US container transportation and logistic company in here). Her year's vacation is only 8 days. She asked me to come back to Korea and stay there for at least a year. She is 23 years old and the oldest daughter in her family. She told me according to Korean custom she has to ask her family before doing anything. So she wants me to introduce me to her parents. She hopes they will accept and starting to trust in me.
Ok...if so...then I will cancel my plans to study at uni.My plan is too immigrate to East-Asia, but Korea is definitive not my favorite one.
So I checked the website of the Korean embassy in Berlin. Extremely shocking  Just to get a 3 month working permission I have to study at least until German diploma degree (8 -10 years of study), a contract with a company or school, a copy of my police file and so on...Germany and Korea don't have a tax contract which means for the 3 months the company or school has to pay tax for Germany and Korean and also all the social benefits.
Ok...I tried to get a job online at http://kr.dir.yahoo.com/Regional/Korean_Regions/Seoul/Business_and_Shopping/Shopping_and_Services/Education/Educational_Institute/Languages/Foreign_Language_Institutes/
I sent my cv and application form in German, English, Chinese (traditional) , Japanese and a little bit Korean, but no reaction.
At my Teakwondo academy I have a friend who wants even to immigrate to Korea. She is a doctor, has a doctor title, but her degrees are not accepted in Korea.
I want to go there in October, but I don't see any hope to find a job first and then to get a working permission visa with these unfair conditions.
In opposite way thousands of Koreans are studying and working in Germany. Germany has no study fed and a lot of foreigners take use of it.
If I go to Korea...I would have to pay amazing a lot for degrees which will not be accepted in Germany.
I'm despaired. Besides finding an illegal job I don't see any alternate. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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Have you tried contacting the German embassy? They might know companies who want someone fluent in German.
Some high schools and universities offer German language classes. They might be interested in a German conversation teacher. The embassy probably has that kind of information (cultural affairs section).
Good luck. |
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| You may well be able to get a job with a multinational Korean company that has clients in Germany, China, Japan with all the languages you speak (including English). You'd definetly be an asset to them as they'd be hard-pressed to find a Korean with all that linguistic ability. |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Guten Tag!
You should get in touch with SeoulTrader... not sure he's still lurking around here or not. He speaks fluent German, and is technically a German, I believe.
There are a few German hagwons around. I know there is one in Hannam Dong, just down the street from the Mongolian Embassy. Maybe you could work there teaching German? I'm not sure what qualifications they'd require, though. The German hagwon is located behind one of the buildings on that street -- I believe just UP the block from the Mongolian embassy (or maybe near the Mexico Embassy, too).
Good luck. |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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If you have working English and improving Korean, consider too tghe many German companies here. I read somewhere that after Americans, Germans are the most numerous ex-pats.
Certainly, Siemens are here (I have a short contract with them right now), and many others.
Try one of the ex-pat non-teaching job sites expatsdirect for example and see what there is.
If you are in the hotel business, many managers are German - try Hilton, Novotel etc.
Assuming you have a degree, there are many opportunites. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Seoultrader is persona non grata in these parts, but there is a fairly large german business contiingent here. Contacting the Chamber of Commerce might be useful. With all those languages, I's suspect you'd have little trouble finding some sort of work with a company that deals internationally. |
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Manuel
Joined: 18 Jun 2005
Location: Bremen / Germany
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| Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Have you tried contacting the German embassy? They might know companies who want someone fluent in German.
Some high schools and universities offer German language classes. They might be interested in a German conversation teacher. The embassy probably has that kind of information (cultural affairs section).
Good luck. |
Thanks for the tip! I sent them e-mails, but no response.I sent them faxes no replies...  So I called them... in Korea are 200 German companies, but almost no German citizen as stuff. They mostly hire Koreans who are raced in Germany and work for the same little money as Koreans do. Mostly in Korea are just small offices...all German business goes to China same as Korean buisness does...
Yes, there's a German ( European ) school in Seoul for elementary and middle school. They require practice for teaching at a public school in Germany, which would mean I have to go back and study for 10-12 years, before getting a licence to teach in Germany for a few years and then apply for Korea. Since 30 years the birthrate in Germany is so low, that no teachers are required. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| My old roommate was German. He work for a company called Crown Relocation Services or something like that. |
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Manuel
Joined: 18 Jun 2005
Location: Bremen / Germany
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| canuckistan wrote: |
| You may well be able to get a job with a multinational Korean company that has clients in Germany, China, Japan with all the languages you speak (including English). You'd definetly be an asset to them as they'd be hard-pressed to find a Korean with all that linguistic ability. |
See thats's the point...international standards. Germany has no bachelor or master degrees. The lowest degree you can get in business is the German diploma ( which takes 12 years of study ).
My English!? I'm not a native speaker. I learnt my English from my grandma who was Walesh. Last time I was in Korea almost no Korean understood my accent. Even some Korean businessmen who I teached in Chinese couldn't understand my accent.
I think without of at least a bachelor ( which I just can study at European Union job colleges ) and without a strong American accent it is almost impossible to find a legal job in an international Korean who would do all the work to get me a working visa. |
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Manuel
Joined: 18 Jun 2005
Location: Bremen / Germany
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| Derrek wrote: |
Guten Tag!
You should get in touch with SeoulTrader... not sure he's still lurking around here or not. He speaks fluent German, and is technically a German, I believe.
There are a few German hagwons around. I know there is one in Hannam Dong, just down the street from the Mongolian Embassy. Maybe you could work there teaching German? I'm not sure what qualifications they'd require, though. The German hagwon is located behind one of the buildings on that street -- I believe just UP the block from the Mongolian embassy (or maybe near the Mexico Embassy, too).
Good luck. |
In the Internet my Korean friend found plenty of schools teaching German. There is a big school in Kangnam which posted that they are looking for German teachers. I sent them my application form, cv in German,English, Japanese and Chinese. no reply yet. I tried to call them. They didn't understand my accent in English and the German teachers ( who are all Koreans) felt so embarrased to speak German that they just "too busy" and hang-off the phone.
I think they didn't reply same as most schools, because I cannot show up any long study at universities. Germany has a dual job training system. I heared it is unique. You work for 3 years in a company. 3 days a week in the company and 2 days a week go to job college. That's the way Germany keeps on its high standard. In Korea such a training system is unknown.
So, they will see...ok...he went to language insitutes in China,Taiwan and Japan. But language skills are not enough...they know the Korean authorities won't give me a visa.
If I would apply in Taiwan or Japan the schools and companies can choose their employees, but in Korea the government proofs first if a Korean can do this job and right now are thousands of Koreans studying in Germany. If I could speak better Korean I would earn a lot of money teaching Koreans in Germany. But I met in Korea so many English teachers who Franco Canadians and didn't have any uni skills.
Another problem is that schools would have to pay taxs for Germany and Korea and all the social care,too. A risky investment for them. |
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Manuel
Joined: 18 Jun 2005
Location: Bremen / Germany
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| Wangja wrote: |
If you have working English and improving Korean, consider too tghe many German companies here. I read somewhere that after Americans, Germans are the most numerous ex-pats.
Certainly, Siemens are here (I have a short contract with them right now), and many others.
Try one of the ex-pat non-teaching job sites expatsdirect for example and see what there is.
If you are in the hotel business, many managers are German - try Hilton, Novotel etc.
Assuming you have a degree, there are many opportunites. |
Sometimes American companies hire German employees for a short period like 3 months or so. Siemens!? In Germany they just firing stuff. Last month they Siemens mobile phone to BenQ. I think this company is comming to its end...they moved mostly to China anyway.
Last time I was in Korea I met a hotel manager. She is German tried to run business in Korea. She told me there is too much bureaucracy in Korea.
That's the point. I don't have any degrees and after I applied so many times without even an answer...I don't think they need me.
In HongDae I met one who works for chamber of commerce and trade Germany in Seoul. I called him. He told me the chance to find a job in Korea is quite low. He thinks the best is to study and work for 20 hours a week in a part-time job. The Korean market is dominated by the US and Japan. Germany has basicly small cultural ties with Korea.
Perhaps I should try to look for an illegal job in Korea  |
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Manuel
Joined: 18 Jun 2005
Location: Bremen / Germany
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| the_beaver wrote: |
| My old roommate was German. He work for a company called Crown Relocation Services or something like that. |
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http://www.crownworldwide.com[/url] thanks for the tip. It is an US company. |
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Gollum
Joined: 04 Sep 2003
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:58 am Post subject: |
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| Manuel wrote: |
| Wangja wrote: |
If you have working English and improving Korean, consider too tghe many German companies here. I read somewhere that after Americans, Germans are the most numerous ex-pats.
Certainly, Siemens are here (I have a short contract with them right now), and many others.
Try one of the ex-pat non-teaching job sites expatsdirect for example and see what there is.
If you are in the hotel business, many managers are German - try Hilton, Novotel etc.
Assuming you have a degree, there are many opportunites. |
Sometimes American companies hire German employees for a short period like 3 months or so. Siemens!? In Germany they just firing stuff. Last month they Siemens mobile phone to BenQ. I think this company is comming to its end...they moved mostly to China anyway.
Last time I was in Korea I met a hotel manager. She is German tried to run business in Korea. She told me there is too much bureaucracy in Korea.
That's the point. I don't have any degrees and after I applied so many times without even an answer...I don't think they need me.
In HongDae I met one who works for chamber of commerce and trade Germany in Seoul. I called him. He told me the chance to find a job in Korea is quite low. He thinks the best is to study and work for 20 hours a week in a part-time job. The Korean market is dominated by the US and Japan. Germany has basicly small cultural ties with Korea.
Perhaps I should try to look for an illegal job in Korea |
I wish you good luck.
I think your only option (unless you get lucky) is to study here on a student visa, then work part-time... but at what? Teaching German, maybe? But if your accent is so strong, you will have trouble finding work. |
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Manuel
Joined: 18 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:47 am Post subject: |
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I don't think that I even could study in Korea. I impossible can study at an uni in Korea and effort the study fed of 2 grants or so.
And the Korean university credits are not accepted outside Korea.So would be a waste of time and moeny.
Accent? British accent?
I'm sure that I can get a job as English teacher illegal.They can treat me like dirt. A slave without any rights...
Teaching German even easier to get. I think the only qualification to get a teacher job ( illegal ) is to appear Western. So I'll dye my hair into blond.That's all what you need. That's my experience from teaching in China. In German I don't have an accent. That's sometimes a problem in Germany, because that makes you more foreign.Hahaha...I guess non Europeans cannot understand it, how important it is in Europe to belong to a local place.
Yes....Today I went to BBQ with a Korean church from here ( www.hanmin.de ) Their advice is to forget Korea. Just go there if you're too rich and stay there for vacation...leave it if you can. They advice the best is to steal my girl-friend from her family. Korea is not a place for Europeans.
At http://www.berlinreport.com/ Koreans can find out how to get all benefits and residence visa from Germany.
So , I don't any opportunity from the legal way to stay longer than maximum 3 months in Korea.
Thanks! I'll go back on study to get a BA at an EU university here in GErmany. My girl-friend started to learn Chinese Mandarin. I will ask her to stay with me in Japan and Taiwan. For Korea...my illegal yes...from official site I don't see any chance. |
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tzechuk
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| Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Manuel wrote: |
| Thanks! I'll go back on study to get a BA at an EU university here in GErmany. My girl-friend started to learn Chinese Mandarin. I will ask her to stay with me in Japan and Taiwan. For Korea...my illegal yes...from official site I don't see any chance. |
I think this is wise.
You do not want to work illegally here and to get caught - it will leave you with a bad record if you get deported and you will have a lot of difficulties when you want to travel to other countries.
I didn't read in any of your posts which said that you were head over heels in love with this Korean woman and that you want to spend the rest of your life with her?
You have to think carefully how much this woman means to you. Is she worth all the trouble you are getting yourself into..?
Also, in Korea, we all get told that you don't just marry the person, you marry the whole family.. Can you accept and deal with that?
There are many things to think about and I think you made the right decision to go and get a degree first.
Good luck. |
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