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periwinkle



Joined: 08 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:51 pm    Post subject: Home Schooling/ Charter Schooling?? Reply with quote

Is home schooling legal here? Has anyone done this with their kids? I'm seriously considering this for the future. I looked into the Seoul Foreign School and the Seoul International School, and I don't want to pay $20,000/year (or thereabouts) just to send my kid to elementary school. I'm surprised charter schools (not talking about hakwons!!) haven't taken off here (maybe there are some, but I haven't heard anything about the existence of charter schools in Korea). I think it would be a good idea for a group of expats to band together and start their own charter school for their kids. I'm especially dreading the idea of sending my (future) children to middle/high school where the curriculum is so test- prep oriented. I found out recently that speech class is not even part of the curriculum in h.s. here! I was told if you want to learn public speaking, you have to attend a speech/debate hakwon. I don't know about you (this was a required class in my h.s.), but this class was invaluable to me, and is the reason why I was able to pass job interviews, for one thing. Any thoughts?
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would be curious as to he results of ... say homeschooling here for the first few grades and then bringing the child back to N America.

Would the school system back home say "no, they must start grade 1 even though they are 10 years old"?
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periwinkle



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
I would be curious as to he results of ... say homeschooling here for the first few grades and then bringing the child back to N America.

Would the school system back home say "no, they must start grade 1 even though they are 10 years old"?


I heard that children who are homeschooled have higher SAT/ACT scores. I saw a show (last year) on 20/20 about it. That's what got the cogs rolling in my head. The clip featured a story about a kid that got into an ivy league school, and he was homeschooled most of (if not all) of his life. Back home, I think the primary reason for home schooling is for religious reasons.
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

periwinkle wrote:
Captain Corea wrote:
I would be curious as to he results of ... say homeschooling here for the first few grades and then bringing the child back to N America.

Would the school system back home say "no, they must start grade 1 even though they are 10 years old"?


I heard that children who are homeschooled have higher SAT/ACT scores. I saw a show (last year) on 20/20 about it. That's what got the cogs rolling in my head. The clip featured a story about a kid that got into an ivy league school, and he was homeschooled most of (if not all) of his life. Back home, I think the primary reason for home schooling is for religious reasons.

Many of the national spelling bee winners have also been homeschooled.
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tzechuk



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think homeschooling is legal.. isn't that why they have montesery (sp.) here?
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have a set of twins -- actually one of them goes here. She switches with the other identical twin on April Fools Day, which is fun.

One of the twins is home-schooled. Her father is a professor at SNU, I heard. Her mother is also very smart. I believe the home-schooled daughter has already recieved high enough test marks to early-entrance into SNU. So I've heard.

Her twin sister (my student) is very smart. Why she goes here and her sister is home-schooled is a mystery. They probably gave their kids a choice.

If I marry/have kids in Korea, I will work with them to study at night, when possible, rather than send them to hagwons forever.
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Dawn



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would be curious as to he results of ... say homeschooling here for the first few grades and then bringing the child back to N America.

Would the school system back home say "no, they must start grade 1 even though they are 10 years old"?
I was homeschooled back in the dark ages (mid-80s and on), and even then, school districts in the States made no issue over home-schooled students returning to the system. They made parents jump through umpteen hoops to home-school legally (most homeschooling families, we later learned, didn't bother getting district approval), but as long as a child could perform on grade level, they were happy enough to take them back at any time. The one place where homeschooling became an issue was in high school. Had a friend who went back to the public school system when he was in tenth grade. Through the remainder of his high school years, he consistently outperformed his classmates and thought he was in the running for valedictorian. Then, the final semester of his senior year rolled around, and the school district told him sorry, that they wouldn't count his freshman year toward his GPA as he wasn't officially in "the system" at that point ... never mind that they had requested grade records from his years at home and made them a part of his permanent record.

Oh, and the illustrious state of South Carolina, which at that time had the worst academic record in the entire nation, refused to grant me a high school diploma, even though we had played by their rule book. I had tested with the public school students every single year, had consistently scored 98th percentile or above in all subject areas, and had passed the state's high school exit exam five days after my 14th birthday (the earliest I was allowed to take it). Even at that time, though, the universities could have cared less. I got more scholarship offers than I could shake a stick at based solely on SAT scores.

As far as homeschooling in Korea, I've known expat families doing it in the past, and to my knowledge, the Korean government didn't care. If one parent has Korean citizenship, then Korea's compulsory education laws might come into play, but barring that, the government tends to ignore the children of expats.

As for other schooling alternatives, there's a parent cooperative school in Dongducheon. It's new and small, so I've no idea how long it will survive. (The previous parent cooperative school was bought out by a Korean family that pledged to keep the school open and keep tuition reasonable, then promptly jacked up tuition and moved the school to Uijongbu where it continues to operate as Indianhead Int'l School.) Can try to get a contact name or number if you want to talk to someone at the school and find out whether there are similar schools in other parts of the country.
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Derrek



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dawn:

The SC high school system was hemmoraging (might still be for all I know) and it just didn't look good to admit that the best students were the ones NOT in their program. *ahha*

Home-schooling runs contrary to the beliefs of the public system AND teachers unions. They don't like to be proven wrong.
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skindleshanks



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My kids are registered as Korean (and Canadian) citizens . . . I was homeschooled in elementary school through grade 3 and would like to do that for my kids - it was a very positive thing for me, although when I went back to public school, I found myself at a Grade 7 level in reading, math, and science.

What exactly are the laws regarding homeschooling for Korean citizens? I had understood that Canadian allowances were made to comply with UN stipulations that education is primarily the right and responsibility of parents. I think this makes sense, that parents should be able to use a variety of forms of education according to their judgement, as long as they keep up with general progress guidelines.

No matter what your reasons, having Mom or Dad or a tutor teach the kids one-on-one will result better education than a one-on-thirty-five situation 99 times out of a hundred.

I've heard, though, that it is illegal for Korean kids to be homeschooled. If it's a matter of a resonable yearly fine, I would be willing to pay, although I would likely rather invest the money in a good lawyer to challenge such laws.
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n3ptne



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

People who are homeschooled turn out to be social rejects. I know this because I routinely didn't invite them to parties in high school or ever get drunk with them.

Getting drunk is more important than learning to read.
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flotsam



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tzechuk wrote:
I think homeschooling is legal.. isn't that why they have montesery (sp.) here?


I actually thougth they did have that here.
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bluelake



Joined: 01 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, homeschooling is allowed in Korea, although it still doesn't seem well-known.

My son went to a Korean elementary school through the sixth grade. He was his class president every year and the student body president in his final year. He was slated to enter a Korean middle school, but his mother and I decided against it; instead, we had him study to take the proficiency test for middle school, which he passed. He studied more and took the proficiency test for high school, which he also passed. He then studied and took the university entrance exam, passing that, too, becoming the youngest person (at the age of fourteen) in Korea to ever enter the university. He graduated with a BA at the age of seventeen and is now finishing his master's degree in English phonology at Pusan National University (he'll be nineteen in August).

All of his studying, pre-university, was by homeschooling, with his mother doing most of the teaching (I helped a bit, here and there).
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Home Schooling/ Charter Schooling?? Reply with quote

periwinkle wrote:
Is home schooling legal here? Has anyone done this with their kids? I'm seriously considering this for the future. I looked into the Seoul Foreign School and the Seoul International School, and I don't want to pay $20,000/year (or thereabouts) just to send my kid to elementary school. I'm surprised charter schools (not talking about hakwons!!) haven't taken off here (maybe there are some, but I haven't heard anything about the existence of charter schools in Korea). I think it would be a good idea for a group of expats to band together and start their own charter school for their kids. I'm especially dreading the idea of sending my (future) children to middle/high school where the curriculum is so test- prep oriented. I found out recently that speech class is not even part of the curriculum in h.s. here! I was told if you want to learn public speaking, you have to attend a speech/debate hakwon. I don't know about you (this was a required class in my h.s.), but this class was invaluable to me, and is the reason why I was able to pass job interviews, for one thing. Any thoughts?


Another option for expats is a (from your home country) government approved distance education program.

There are a number of them in the states, the Calvert school being one of the good ones. They cover K-8.
http://www.calvertschool.org/engine/content.do?BT_CODE=CES1512

From Canada, each province has a distance education center. The costs run in the neighboorhood of 1-1.3 million won per year (books and tapes/CDs included). These are part of the provincial education system and as such are recognised up through high school. The high school diploma is issued by the provincial ministry of education in each case.
Grades covered are 1-12.

http://www.adlc.ca/home/
http://www.bced.gov.bc.ca/dist_learning/

There is a program for each province.

Australia also has a distance education program that you can look at.

I don't know about the UK or NZ.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Home Schooling/ Charter Schooling?? Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
periwinkle wrote:
Is home schooling legal here? Has anyone done this with their kids? I'm seriously considering this for the future. I looked into the Seoul Foreign School and the Seoul International School, and I don't want to pay $20,000/year (or thereabouts) just to send my kid to elementary school. I'm surprised charter schools (not talking about hakwons!!) haven't taken off here (maybe there are some, but I haven't heard anything about the existence of charter schools in Korea). I think it would be a good idea for a group of expats to band together and start their own charter school for their kids. I'm especially dreading the idea of sending my (future) children to middle/high school where the curriculum is so test- prep oriented. I found out recently that speech class is not even part of the curriculum in h.s. here! I was told if you want to learn public speaking, you have to attend a speech/debate hakwon. I don't know about you (this was a required class in my h.s.), but this class was invaluable to me, and is the reason why I was able to pass job interviews, for one thing. Any thoughts?


Another option for expats is a (from your home country) government approved distance education program.

There are a number of them in the states, the Calvert school being one of the good ones. They cover K-8.
http://www.calvertschool.org/engine/content.do?BT_CODE=CES1512

From Canada, each province has a distance education center. The costs run in the neighboorhood of 1-1.3 million won per year (books and tapes/CDs included). These are part of the provincial education system and as such are recognised up through high school. The high school diploma is issued by the provincial ministry of education in each case.
Grades covered are 1-12.

http://www.adlc.ca/home/
http://www.bced.gov.bc.ca/dist_learning/

There is a program for each province.

Australia also has a distance education program that you can look at.

I don't know about the UK or NZ.


This post atleast should be stickied Wink I don't ever plan on homeschooling my kids, but this could save a lot of people some hassle if they want to.
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