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Teaching Privates Legally with F-2 Visa??

 
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brooksenglish



Joined: 30 Jun 2004
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:27 am    Post subject: Teaching Privates Legally with F-2 Visa?? Reply with quote

Dear Friends,

I need info on teaching privates legally in Korea with an F-2 Visa. My wife is Korean, and there is nothing in my contract that says I can't teach outside my uni.

What I need to know is that if I register with immigration, can I legally teach business people as long as I report everything to immigration.

The reason for this is simple. I teach a CEO through a very prominent English school in Korea, but my lessons have recently been canceled due to immigration sting operations. The school called me to cancel all my lessons because it's too dangerous for the company if they get caught (3 million KRW) Ouch!! So, what I want to do is set myself up independently of the school and teach legally - thereby cutting out the school of their huge commission on my wages and keeping it all for myself, save the taxes to the government for teaching legally.

Any thoughts or ideas?

Thanks immensely,

Much Appreciation
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When in doubt, go to the source. Ask your wife to call Immigration and ask for the rules on your situation. If it would make you feel safer, have her use a fake name or call to an office in another city.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure that you cannot.

A company must sponsor you for your teaching visa (E2). If you say you are going to teach at said company then that company must have the resources required to sponsor said visa. Chances are the company mentioned does not.

If you are simply "going to work part-time" for this company (with undetermined duties) then I have heard you can simply get them added on.

The truth is i've encountered MIXED messeges when dealing with immigration so do as the poster above recomends and call them.



*then tell us k.
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
I'm pretty sure that you cannot.

A company must sponsor you for your teaching visa (E2). If you say you are going to teach at said company then that company must have the resources required to sponsor said visa. Chances are the company mentioned does not.

If you are simply "going to work part-time" for this company (with undetermined duties) then I have heard you can simply get them added on.

The truth is i've encountered MIXED messeges when dealing with immigration so do as the poster above recomends and call them.



*then tell us k.


I guess you have no idea what an F-2 visa is.

An F-2 visa is a FAMILY SPONSERSHIP visa. That means, your Korean wife or husband sponsers you.

Now say I want to work in addition to leeching off my wife/husband. I DO NOT need a school to sponser me. How can you be sponsered twice?

I have an F-2-1 visa. I also have an E-2. Immigration has explained that the E-2 is just an added "permission" to work, my F-2-1 supercedes it and I can cancel my E-2 anytime i want.

I can get additional permission from immigration.

So to the original poster, call immigration and ask them.

My suggest to you is: get your wife to start a English Consulting Business. As her husband, you can help her out "free" of charge, yet she can do all the money transactions. What is the difference if the money is in her bank or yours? Well first of all, she can claim she made the money legally. I mean you were just helping out your wife for free, right *wink wink* and she declares the taxes on the money you make, so the problem is what exactly?

Something like that might work if immigration has a problem with you doing it directly.
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Southern Drawl



Joined: 13 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My suggest to you is: get your wife to start a English Consulting Business. As her husband, you can help her out "free" of charge, yet she can do all the money transactions. What is the difference if the money is in her bank or yours? Well first of all, she can claim she made the money legally. I mean you were just helping out your wife for free, right *wink wink* and she declares the taxes on the money you make, so the problem is what exactly?

Something like that might work if immigration has a problem with you doing it directly.



Mr. Pink, good idea about the English Consulting Business. Do you know if this kind of business needs a physical location? My understanding is that most Korean businesses do. I mean is it possible for my wife to run this kind of business out of my own home while I run around town "consulting" free of charge for her? You see this would be great because we could avoid paying rent for an office. What do you think?
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Pink wrote:
Captain Corea wrote:
I'm pretty sure that you cannot.

A company must sponsor you for your teaching visa (E2). If you say you are going to teach at said company then that company must have the resources required to sponsor said visa. Chances are the company mentioned does not.

If you are simply "going to work part-time" for this company (with undetermined duties) then I have heard you can simply get them added on.

The truth is i've encountered MIXED messeges when dealing with immigration so do as the poster above recomends and call them.



*then tell us k.


I guess you have no idea what an F-2 visa is.

An F-2 visa is a FAMILY SPONSERSHIP visa. That means, your Korean wife or husband sponsers you.

Now say I want to work in addition to leeching off my wife/husband. I DO NOT need a school to sponser me. How can you be sponsered twice?

I have an F-2-1 visa. I also have an E-2. Immigration has explained that the E-2 is just an added "permission" to work, my F-2-1 supercedes it and I can cancel my E-2 anytime i want.

I can get additional permission from immigration.

So to the original poster, call immigration and ask them.

My suggest to you is: get your wife to start a English Consulting Business. As her husband, you can help her out "free" of charge, yet she can do all the money transactions. What is the difference if the money is in her bank or yours? Well first of all, she can claim she made the money legally. I mean you were just helping out your wife for free, right *wink wink* and she declares the taxes on the money you make, so the problem is what exactly?

Something like that might work if immigration has a problem with you doing it directly.


I'm glad you are popping back on the boards once in awhile Pinky (I recognize you but I'm not sure if you recognize me) but as for saying I don't know what an F2 is and that you suggest "helping out your wife in an English Consulting business"... you are wrong.

I have an F2 and the last time I went into the immi-office they were quite specific about the legalities of "working" with it. You cannot work, even as a consultant with solely the F2. You need to get permission to do so. Now, in some cases they add the E2 little siggy to the back of the card (or whatever visa is needed).

If you are "working" for your wife (even in a voluntary basis) and are caught in a classroom setting, there is no way they are going to let you slide 100% with just saying "well, my wife didn't actually PAY me any money!!" Seriously, think about the logic here; they want you to get permission for every job you work to be added to your F2 (or written on the back, however you prefer) but all it takes is your wife to say "he's helping me out teaching English all around town" and it would be ok? Come on.





That being said, I KNOW OF people with F2s that have been busted and they got by with a slight slap on the wrist. Usually a warning (or small fine) and told not to try to bend things again.

The F2 does not allow you to work in the ROK. Bend the rules at your own risk.
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would suggest to the OP that you consult a labor lawyer if you are really serious. I hear different things from different people.

To Captain Corea, I know the F-2 doesn't entitle you to work, it is a family visa. My point was, since it is a family visa, there MIGHT (Might meaning I don't know, but the OP can check it out) be some way for you to help your wife out with work.

The one person I heard of doing this did it like this: the wife made some kind of business. She would only do kids, and the kids would come to their apartment. While in the apartment, the husband would just happen to be there and he would just happen to speak some English to the kids. He would never recieve money, so he didn't have to seek permission from immigration, as technically, he wasn't working, he was just talking to ppl who visited his house.

I know that it can be dangerous to try that, but honestly, how are they going to bust you for doing something like that? Your wife can claim she is the one teaching them and if she files taxes accordingly, immigration would have a hard time proving your "story" wrong.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree man, in the home, it'd be a pretty safe bet. In fact in my neighborhood (out in the sticks right now) I know of two foreigners doign exactly what you have mentioned. They pull in some decent cash and few seem to mind (except maybe the struggling hogwons out here)
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OneWayTraffic



Joined: 14 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was offered a job at a prominent Seoul hotel recently. Went to immigration to clear it and was told in no uncertain terms that we couldn't do it as it wasn't a "proper location to teach English." The location is the thing. If it's not a hagwon or a company with an educational license then you're hosed, F2 or not. I know from experience.

If your wife is registered to teach privates or such and you do it at home I think you'll be fine as long as you don't try being too obvious about pushing the foreigner aspect.

I wouldn't do illegal privates through a school; try to get your students to come to the school instead for privates and give them a cut.
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