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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:33 am Post subject: Karl Rove ... Tried for Treason? |
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Some people have complained about Ted Rall in the past. Here's some more to make you angry :
Karl Rove : Worse Than Osama bib Laden
By Ted Rall
Mon Jul 4, 7:00 PM ET
NEW YORK--In war collaborators are more dangerous than enemy forces, for they betray with intimate knowledge in painful detail and demoralize by their cynical example. This explains why, at the end of occupations, the newly liberated exact vengeance upon their treasonous countrymen even they allow foreign troops to conduct an orderly withdrawal.
If, as state-controlled media insists, there is such a creature as a Global War on Terrorism, our enemies are underground Islamist organizations allied with or ideologically similar to those that attacked us on 9/11. But who are the collaborators?
The right points to critics like Michael Moore, yours truly, and Ward Churchill, the Colorado professor who points out the gaping chasm between America's high-falooting rhetoric and its historical record. But these bête noires are guilty only of the all-American actions of criticism and dissent, not to mention speaking uncomfortable truths to liars and deniers. As far as we know, no one on what passes for the "left" (which would be the center-right anywhere else) has betrayed the United States in the GWOT. No anti-Bush progressive has made common cause with Al Qaeda, Hamas, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan or any other officially designated "terrorist" group. No American liberal has handed over classified information or worked to undermine the CIA.
But it now appears that Karl Rove, GOP golden boy, has done exactly that.
Last week Time magazine turned over its reporter's notes to a special prosecutor assigned to learn who told Republican columnist Bob Novak that Valerie Plame was a CIA agent. The revelation, which effectively ended Plame's CIA career and may have endangered her life, followed her husband Joe Wilson's publication of a New York Times op-ed piece that embarrassed the Bush Administration by debunking its claims that Saddam Hussein tried to buy uranium from Niger. Time's cowardly decision to break its promise to a confidential source has had one beneficial side effect: according to Newsweek, it indicates that Karl Rove himself made the call to Novak.
One might have expected Rove, the master White House political strategist who engineered Bush's 2000 coup d'état and post-9/11 permanent war public relations campaign, to have ordered a flunky underling to carry out this act of high treason. But as the Arab saying goes, arrogance diminishes wisdom.
Rove, whose gaping maw recently vomited forth that Democrats didn't care about 9/11, is atypically silent. He did talk to the Time reporter but "never knowingly disclosed classified information," claims his attorney. But there's circumstantial evidence to go along with Time's leaked notes. Ari Fleischer abruptly resigned as Bush's press secretary on May 16, 2003, about the same time the White House became aware of Ambassador Wilson's plans to go public. (Wilson's article appeared July 6.) Did Fleischer quit because he didn't want to act as spokesman for Rove's plan to betray CIA agent Plame? Another interesting coincidence: Novak published his Plame column on July 14, Fleischer's last day on the job.
If Newsweek's report is accurate, Karl Rove is more morally repugnant and more anti-American than Osama bin Laden. Bin Laden, after all, has no affiliation with, and therefore no presumed loyalty to, the United States. Rove, on the other hand, is a U.S. citizen and, as deputy White House chief of staff, a high-ranking official of the U.S. government sworn to uphold and defend our nation, its laws and its interests. Yet he sold out America just to get even with Joe Wilson.
Osama bin Laden, conversely, is loyal to his cause. He has never exposed an Al Qaeda agent's identity to the media.
"[Knowingly revealing Plame's name and undercover status to the media]...is a violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act and is punishable by as much as ten years in prison," notes the Washington Post. Unmasking an intelligent agent during a time of war, however, surely rises to giving aid and comfort to America's enemies--treason. Treason is punishable by execution under the United States Code.
How far up the White House food chain does the rot of treason go? "Bush has always known how to keep Rove in his place," wrote Time in 2002 about a "symbiotic relationship" that dates to 1973. This isn't some rogue "plumbers" operation. Rove would never go it alone on a high-stakes action like Valerie Plame. It's a safe bet that other, higher-ranking figures in the Bush cabal--almost certainly Dick Cheney and possibly Bush himself--signed off before Rove called Novak. For the sake of national security, those involved should be removed from office at once.
Rove and his collaborators should quickly resign and face prosecution for betraying their country, but given their sense of personal entitlement impeachment is probably the best we can hope for. Congress, and all Americans, should place patriotism ahead of party loyalty. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Treason is a very strong word, not to be used lightly. This guy makes a case for it being appropriate here. I'd like to hear more about this case. I know today one of the reporters was sent to jail. I haven't been paying enough attention to this particular issue because I thought it was about confidentiality of sources. Guess it's also about something else.
Time for me to do some homework. |
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:44 am Post subject: |
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Treason is a very strong word, not to be used lightly. This guy makes a case for it being appropriate here. I'd like to hear more about this case. I know today one of the reporters was sent to jail. I haven't been paying enough attention to this particular issue because I thought it was about confidentiality of sources. Guess it's also about something else.
Time for me to do some homework. |
The short version is this : A man named Wilson, former diplomat (married to a woman, Valerie Plame, working clandestinely for the CIA) was employed by the US govt to investigate Saddam's alleged attempts to buy uranium in Africa, and in the report he said that such rumours were false, and gave reasons why.
A short time later, Bush cited the notion of Saddam going to Africa for uranium in a State of the Union Address as if it were a fact, so Wilson went public and said, hey, I told them very clearly this is not so, what's up with this? - and very quickly after that a columnist named Robert Novak publicly revealed Valerie Plame's status as a secret agent.
The legal battle is about who told Robert Novack. The wierd thing is that he is not one of the journalists being jailed or threatened with same, and therefore it looks very much a fix is in - logic would say that he talked about his sources while the others chose not to, but that has not been confirmed. The people who are in trouble are in trouble because they did not wish to testify about who told them what they know, and when and where these things were told. They have the idea that if journalists are forced tro reveal such sorces, then they won't get good info in the future.
The largest bit of conversation right now is that Karl Rove is the original source that revealed the identity of a woman working for the CIA. Obviously, telling such things is dangerous for the individual involved, but it also tends to be detrimental for the larger interests of national security, which is why the law refers to it as a treasonable act.
The evidence seems to indicate that Rove "outed" Valerie Plame as an act of vengence against her husband for his disloyalty to The Party, though of course Wilson was being paid by ALL the American people so perhaps that is where his loyalty actually was. It would normally seem like petty vindictiveness on Rove's part, but if he did reveal the identity of a secret CIA operative, then it also seems he strayed into the realm of treason ...
This is just one more in the file that is labeled : "CRIMES COMMITTED BY THIS ADMINISTRATION FAR WORSE THAN GETTING A BJ FROM AN INTERN." |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:48 am Post subject: |
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he evidence seems to indicate that Rove "outed" Valerie Plame as an act of vengence against her husband for his disloyalty to The Party, though of course Wilson was being paid by ALL the American people so perhaps that is where his loyalty actually was. It would normally seem like petty vindictiveness on Rove's part, but if he did reveal the identity of a secret CIA operative, then it also seems he strayed into the realm of treason ...
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Joe Wilson wasn't being truthful either.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/007135.php
http://slate.msn.com/id/2103795/ |
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
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he evidence seems to indicate that Rove "outed" Valerie Plame as an act of vengence against her husband for his disloyalty to The Party, though of course Wilson was being paid by ALL the American people so perhaps that is where his loyalty actually was. It would normally seem like petty vindictiveness on Rove's part, but if he did reveal the identity of a secret CIA operative, then it also seems he strayed into the realm of treason ...
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Joe Wilson wasn't being truthful either.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/007135.php
http://slate.msn.com/id/2103795/ |
Mr wilson's accuracy about details is not pertinent to the present legal case. WHO revealed the status of his wife a CIA spy? This is the relevant question, and if it was Rove, what reason can we find to do other than charge him with the highest of crimes aginst our country?
The links you provided give us no impoprtant information about this case - Karl Rove is not mentioned once, I think. I wonder why you bother to continue insulting people's intelligence here. It's just that you are so clumsy at it ... can't believe you still think no one notices that's what you are doing. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:20 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the summary. That is pretty much what I have found out.
In addition, Tucker Carlson says (I know, I know) there is an '82 law that defines the CIA's covert operations classification. According to him, a person is not covert unless the government actively tries to hide their role. He says in this case, the CIA did not try to hide Ms. Plame's job classification. He says she was the equivalent of a clerk.
At this point, it looks to me like he is spinning. I can't imagine the CIA being happy about having one of their employee's name published in an article, whether she was involved in deeply covert activities or not.
I too haven't found out why Novak isn't involved in this. |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:01 am Post subject: |
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| I haven't followed U.S. politics all that closely while in Korea, but to keep in touch with the politically hot issues on a weekly basis I used to read transcripts of CNN's Capital Gang on their website. I was disappointed when the show was recently terminated (and not by Gov. Schwartzenager). Bob Novak was not only a dominant right-wing Republican spokesman on the show, but he was also one of it's founders. Does anybody else suspect - or has it been noted - that Novak's role in the Wilson case is an underlying cause of Capital Gang's going off the air? |
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