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Who Remembers "Odd Job"?
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 2:48 am    Post subject: Who Remembers "Odd Job"? Reply with quote

Remember Odd Job from Goldfinger? His English skills consisted of "Ah-ah" and he killed people with his hat.

Then there's the unimaginative, churlish shopowner who refused to give Michael Douglas quarters for the pay phone in Falling Down.

Both were Koreans, or at least Korean-Americans. Unfair portrayals?

But the Koreans I see depicted on Korean television are very suave and wordly, no hint that ajummas or ajoshis even exist, no one puking or urinating on the sidewalk, either.

What's up with that? I wonder if the Korean-American in Falling Down is closer to how Koreans are, and the Koreans on Korean tv is how they want to be...just a random thought that occurred when I saw a Korean commercial a moment ago...
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peppermint



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seeing anything in a Bond movie as a reflection of real life is stretching things, isn't it?
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eamo



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way I see it the vast majority of Koreans don't expect realism when the watch TV. Nor do they want it, probably.

TV here is seen as a vehicle for 'the beautiful people' to present an ideal life that Koreans should strive towards. It reminds me of western TV in the 50's and 60's. Idealised. The movement for realistic art forms that became popular in Europe and North America in the 60's and 70's never really happened here.

I guess Koreans don't really see the point of watching something on TV that they could see if they went for a walk outside.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:
Seeing anything in a Bond movie as a reflection of real life is stretching things, isn't it?


I did say that he killed people with his hat. I only reference some of the underlying assumptions behind the character...


I guess what I'm asking is whether they show their bad qualities, you know, like self-criticism or humor.

Where's the Korean Deliverance?
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Son Deureo!



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea's Deliverance? Probably the closest I can think of in terms of gritty realism is Kim Gi-deok's movies. Bad Guy/Nabbeun Namja is a shows a brutal behind the scenes view of a red-light district brothel and Oasis is a gripping tale of two handicapped people (one mentally one physically) and the virtually criminal neglect from their families. Samaria takes a look at "compensation dating".

He's very controversial among Koreans, but I think he's probably the best director in Korea.
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ulsanchris



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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TV here is seen as a vehicle for 'the beautiful people' to present an ideal life that Koreans should strive towards.


hmmmm is this to say that american tv isn't filled with beautiful people.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Korea's Deliverance? Probably the closest I can think of in terms of gritty realism is Kim Gi-deok's movies. Bad Guy/Nabbeun Namja is a shows a brutal behind the scenes view of a red-light district brothel and Oasis is a gripping tale of two handicapped people (one mentally one physically) and the virtually criminal neglect from their families. Samaria takes a look at "compensation dating".


Those films were all pretty good, especially OASIS. And that director eventually went on to become the minister of culture for Roh Moo Hyun.

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Where's the Korean Deliverance?


My nomination would be MEMORIES OF MURDER, about a police force investigating a serial killer during the days of the dictatorship. Definitely NOT a romanticized view of Korean life. And a great film to boot.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...available with English subtitles?
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...available with English subtitles?


Yes, all the films mentioned by Son Deureo and me are available on DVD with English subtitles.
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numazawa



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:
Seeing anything in a Bond movie as a reflection of real life is stretching things, isn't it?


Saaay... What are you insinuating here? That Bond films aren't true-life stories??

Well I'll tell you, those films are, in truth, realer than real! That's right. They are the very distilled essence of the core of the very meat of real life. (Incidentally, as true connoisseurs already know, this is reputedly the source whence Real Reality took his name.) Oh sure, they edit out the toilet breaks and such, but the rest? Greed, death, random high-jinks, endemic implausibility, opportunistic boinking -- lots -- why, it's all there, just look!

Seems real life is just too heady a dose for some folks...
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bellum99



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 3:07 pm    Post subject: remember the riot in L.A Reply with quote

Remember the riots in L.A

The African American rioters targeted the Korean shops and shop owners because of the years of insults. The rioters said openly that the Korean business owners in their community were terrible people. I have heard the word "nigg*&" many times in korea and they have a word in korea that means the same thing. I can only imagine the attitude some of these Korean shop owners have.

But on T.V they all look so nice, educated and polished. T.V is a reflection of real life in South Korea but it is a reverse reflection. Actual people and situations are totally the opposite.
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Butterfly



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:28 pm    Post subject: Re: remember the riot in L.A Reply with quote

Korea's most popular recent film Old Boy hardly presents Korea in a romantic light either - very bleak. In fact, I don't think I've seen that many films that do present Korea in such a way.

This is more eslcafe.com folly.
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, there's this idea that gets tossed around here on eslcafe that koreans don't acknowledge their own darkside in movies and on tv. but i think it's BS. have you ever seen a movie called...um...i think the title translates to "the blue gate." it's about a prostitute that lives with a korean family and it's incredibly sad and gritty. it not only shows the more extreme dark side of korea (prostitution) but also the everyday downside (like people washing up with water from some rusty old spigot). its not a great movie, but its realistic, and there's plenty more like it out there.

tv is more sanitized, but its tv. i see a lot of those reality expose shows on nowadays where peoples voices are blurred and their voices obscured. i don't know what they're doing but it looks seedy. saw one show where the police were investigating a murder and it showed blood all over the apartment and the bloody knife. stuff you probably couldn't see in america.
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eamo



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:59 pm    Post subject: Re: remember the riot in L.A Reply with quote

Butterfly wrote:
Korea's most popular recent film Old Boy hardly presents Korea in a romantic light either - very bleak. In fact, I don't think I've seen that many films that do present Korea in such a way.

This is more eslcafe.com folly.


Personally, I was referring to Korean TV more than the quite interesting movie-making industry of late.

All I tend to see on Korean TV is the same old celebrities being put through yet another stunt/game show. Does Korean TV put Joe Public into game shows, as contestants, a la western TV? If so I haven't noticed.
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen a lot of soldiers on gameshows- there's a good one where they have to call up their Mum, friend or brother/sister (decided by the spin of a wheel) and get them to say certain words against the clock.
Then some Private with bad acne will sing a bit of karaoke, and I turn the TV to another channel.
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