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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:42 am Post subject: |
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Grotto, without knowing however many times you've gone out of your way for your school or your boss in the past, and assuming you don't have anything planned for Saturday, I'd probably fall in line with their wishes this one final time. BUT, I'd make very sure they understood and appreciated that you're being magnanimous in granting their favour, not sheepishly knuckling under to their pressure. (And just what the hell am I doing telling GROTTO this?? ) Yes, it's a mind game and yes, it amounts to the same thing in the end. But perceptions of power relationships are all-important on the job here. (Maybe not so important in Grotto's case, since he's leaving there pretty soon. But as a general rule...) Grovelling at the workplace is always grim, but at least make sure the proper parties are doing the grovelling. It's not the foreign teacher who should be grovelling to keep his day off sacred, but the school for presuming to ask him to give up that day off.
Oh, and one last bit. I'd make sure the book browsing & buying on Saturday started and finished BEFORE NOON like my life depended on it. |
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Grotto

Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:48 am Post subject: |
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You do know I work at a public school right?
I have made trips to the store on Saturdays in the past, its just that with regular classes finished and pretty much nothing going on I dont feel like giving up 3 hours of a Saturday..I would much rather give up 3 or 4 hours of my Thursday  |
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OiGirl

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: Hoke-y-gun
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:48 am Post subject: |
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| What is a floater teacher? Sounds like a professional sitter-around. |
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Grotto

Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| The floater at my school usually helps out with one of the disabled students we have....the rest of the time he fills in for other teachers if they are sick, have an appointment or whatever. When everyone is at the school though he sits around....alot! |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I see your point Grotto but still think you made too much of this. |
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Grotto

Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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thats okay Homer I forgive you  |
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kermo

Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Badmojo wrote: |
I'd never take a pubic school job. It goes against my training as a second language teacher. I got more productive places to be.
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When I was training to be a teacher, I was also warned against pubic schools. How are the kids supposed to learn when they are busy designing skimpy costumes and learning new moves on the pole?
I have learned a great deal about classroom teaching from my experience in the public school system. I only wish my students had learned as much. I've been here for 10 months now, and there are still kids who don't know how to answer to "How are you?" Kill me.
Not that I'm one to be pointing out pornographic typos. Yesterday I was explaining to a child that the plural of "mouse" is not "mouses" but I wrote "mousex" instead. Those eagled-eyed little boogers caught it in the instant before I did, and had a good laugh. |
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cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm...lots of money to spend?!?!?! How about having a.... "foreign teacher's exhibition". Invite all of us and cater it?!?!?
J/K |
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Badmojo

Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Location: I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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LOL. I didn't even see that myself. I had about two or three other errors in that post that I edited and corrected, but I didn't see that one.
Come to think of it, a pubic school job may have some value. That might be worth something.
I'm curious. What did you learn from the public school experience? And would you do it again? |
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kermo

Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Badmojo wrote: |
LOL. I didn't even see that myself. I had about two or three other errors in that post that I edited and corrected, but I didn't see that one.
Come to think of it, a pubic school job may have some value. That might be worth something.
I'm curious. What did you learn from the public school experience? And would you do it again? |
The waxing. Definitely a lot of valuable waxing experience. Wait.. did you say publicschool? Oh.
Well, as I've mentioned elsewhere, I teach the same class around 7 times in a row, which leaves lots of opportunity to learn from my mistakes. I've learned to apply some of what I picked up as a behaviour modification therapist, using tricks like "behaviour momentum," "pace," and "reinforcement schedules." Rewards, a quick and decisive rhythm, and prefacing requests for complicated behaviour with simple tasks are a little tricky to use in large groups, but it works, and I'm glad I had a chance to find out how.
I've also learned a lot from watching my co-teachers. My demanding, harsh co-teacher tends to inspire contempt and rebellion, whereas the gentle, polite but firm teacher had the kids eating out of his hand.
My new co-teacher has got some tremendous tricks up her sleeve. She starts the first class by teaching the students her rules, having them copy them down in their books, and chanting them aloud. Now, all she has to do is remind them of a rule number, and they instantly straighten up. She has commands to get the class sitting nicely in their chairs, and commands that will get everyone's attention just by silently waving her hand in the air and holding up three fingers. |
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Grotto

Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Things I have learned from my public school experience.
Patience. I have learned to be patient with students, teachers, administration and government officials.
I have realised that there are students in my classroom that will never understand the phrase 'How are you' All I can do is try to teach them.
I have learned how to reach students using different methods....trying different activities and how to supplement the curriculum.
I have learned that you cannot effectively teach English without teaching reading and writing too. The students in my special classes that I forced to read and write on a daily basis are now light years ahead of their classmates....their English is improving much more rapidly and they have more interest in learning it. This crap about just learning to speak it first is exactly that C R A P!
I have learned how to manage a class of 40 students without raising my voice.
I have learned that just because a student is quiet doesn't mean they dont know the material(in a test one of my quietest students got 99%)
I have learned that hogwans are effective in improving a students English...you can certainly pick out the kids that attend hogwans over the ones that dont.
I have learned that 99% of the students in the school are good kids and the other 1% are just misunderstood. They dont goof around to piss you off they are just kids and they are stuck in school.
I have learned that the quality of Korean teachers varies widely.
I have learned many things about teaching and dealing with my students and co-teachers.
I have learned that it is sometimes smarter to bite your tongue and be silent.
I have learned that common sense in Korea is a truly rare animal.
I have learned that a rat can chew its way through a solid wooden door, climb up a table and eat a hell of alot of candy.
These are just a few of the things I have learned. |
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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| kermo wrote: |
My new co-teacher has got some tremendous tricks up her sleeve. She starts the first class by teaching the students her rules, having them copy them down in their books, and chanting them aloud. Now, all she has to do is remind them of a rule number, and they instantly straighten up. She has commands to get the class sitting nicely in their chairs, and commands that will get everyone's attention just by silently waving her hand in the air and holding up three fingers. |
Yeah my first years are a lot easier to control with the benefit of year under my belt. I just have on word 'attenttion' they have to yell it back and look at me. I use a lot of hand signals as well just so the kids who don't listen well know what they are supposed doing. Look, read, write, attention. Are the big four. |
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OiGirl

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: Hoke-y-gun
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Grotto wrote: |
Things I have learned from my public school experience.
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I have learned that you cannot effectively teach English without teaching reading and writing too. The students in my special classes that I forced to read and write on a daily basis are now light years ahead of their classmates....their English is improving much more rapidly and they have more interest in learning it. This crap about just learning to speak it first is exactly that C R A P! |
Absolutely, for kids with Korean literacy. What kills me is teaching phonics to young children who can neither speak English nor read and write in Korean. |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:29 am Post subject: |
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Oigirl,
I agree that it might be puzzling to be teaching such young kids English. However, I have been helping my nieces here in Busan with English for about 5 years. My oldest niece started working with me on English when she was 4 and in one year she has shown considerable progress. I don't even teach her, just speak English to her when we spend time together on occasion.
Kids soak it up even if you don't see it.
Another example, is that while my parents spoke English only at home, my mother is french and spoke to her family in French. I did not yet master English when I started blurting out French from what I had heard her say to her family. By the time I was 8 I was fluent in both languages.
Kids do learn.
Oh and Grotto...thanks for forgiving me...!  |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:01 am Post subject: |
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| What kills me is teaching phonics to young children who can neither speak English nor read and write in Korean. |
Or to quote Coolsage from an unrelated thread: "And while Schwa is gifted with students who can discuss the works of Hermann Hesse, most of us are dealing with people who can barely wash themselves". |
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