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JacktheCat

Joined: 08 May 2004

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:04 pm Post subject:

cubanlord wrote:

that would be, "dos cervezas, por favor". hehehehhe Cool

. You KNEW i couldn't resist!!!!

y un mojito por favor.

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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:15 pm Post subject:

JongnoGuru wrote:

So, they use the chants in schools and hagwons.

Thank you so much, Peppermint. The childrens are most enjoyable for the new Chanting! Especially, ping pang pong! But now we having some concernings about the words and meaning of it. Especially, we did finding some disagreeful message for the childrens summer activities. We not want to thinking bad way about you, but you maybe inserts the small brainswash material or trickeries from your America and Canada culture point, yes? Summer is not for the freely enjoying the bike rides and soccer play or read just any books. It is for the Summer English Camp and diligence of study. It can be that a sometimes Dokdo Struggle outing with soccer play or like that, but the childrens needing our planning. Much much planning for their summer days. You make Chanting with suggestable message for the idle freely spending time too much. We think you must understand this Korea is not the American or the Canada.

Please you not disappoint us again, or we must calling to the Immigration. Sad

And we are not understanding thin textbook. We are thinking thick textbook is idle-less. Please be understanding that korea student need high-level and diligence. And drawing pictures is in-necesscary. Please be thinking that.

Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:36 pm Post subject:

eamo wrote:

JongnoGuru wrote:

And yes. And you so smart.

Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:40 pm Post subject:

cubanlord wrote:

that would be, "dos cervezas, por favor". hehehehhe Cool

. You KNEW i couldn't resist!!!!

Regional variations, baby!

I bet you don't know what polola or "pa 'onde vai" or "a la paraguaya" means either. My text-book Spanish has been ruined by high-school-level Chileans!

I can also tell you that I once got myself into a helluva lot of trouble with "guachita rica!" ["hot little orphan girl"] -- use it at your own risk!

Last edited by Gopher on Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:43 pm; edited 1 time in total

Hater Depot

Joined: 29 Mar 2005

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:40 pm Post subject:

joe_doufu wrote:

What Koreans do to their children is terrible. Forcing them to study from the early morning until after midnight, to study things they don't care about for so many hours they long surpass their maximum brain load for the day, is plainly cruel. It depresses me to be a part of it. If I could get away with playing games every day, I would. I have some classes that absolutely refuse to cooperate with me, and I used to get frustrated with them, but you know, I consider it my good deed to let them have their wild + free 40 minutes every day.

Joe, I don't think it could be said better. It makes me sick to my stomach to think of how the education system treats its students--forcing them to study to the point of exhaustion, hitting them, constantly telling them they're stupid, refusing to let them go home even when they're sick to the point of vomiting, etc.

As for why Koreans don't learn English, two reasons: One, they don't care to. 90% of my kids have learned as much English as they want to--"You crazy!!" and "I'm fine thank you, and you?" Two, they confuse quantity with quality. More does not mean best, and the sooner they learn that the better.

guangho

Joined: 19 Jan 2005
Location: a spot full of deception, stupidity, and public micturation and thus unfit for longterm residency

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:07 pm Post subject:

matthewwoodford wrote:

guangho wrote:

The problem with Korea (as with other Pacific cultures) is that they are primarily oral in nature. (No trees=no paper= no books), so what would ordinarily be easier in acquiring a second language- writing skills- becomes harder here.

Sorry but that is absolute rubbish. Not sure what you mean by 'Pacific' cultures since it sounds like you're talking about Polynesians, and what you say about paper and books would be better applicable to Polynesians. Everyone knows and uses the Roman alphabet here so that at least is not a problem.

I don't see a whole lot of trees here (and definitely no large trees suitable for use in paper mills) and the textbooks I work with (using the term textbook generously) are usually no more than 60-80 pages and, even when dealing with 6th graders, picture-oriented.

I agree with you that one reason for not learning English is they don't have to. That's my excuse for not speaking Korean too.[/quote]

cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:39 pm Post subject:

Gopher wrote:

cubanlord wrote:

that would be, "dos cervezas, por favor". hehehehhe Cool

. You KNEW i couldn't resist!!!!

hahahaha...damn dude....that isn't Spanish....no you're busting out with Portuguese (sp?). Thankfully spanish and portuguese are very closely related:

pa onde vai = para donde vas = where are you going
a la paraguaya = to the Question

polola = some local native talk (most likely slang) Question

Seems like you'll have a lot of fun in S. America.

peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:43 pm Post subject:

Gopher wrote:

I was recently mystified by one that treated "Let's go hiking!" but showed a picutre of a kid on a bike at the beach, as if there were some association between the phrase and the picture. I actually stopped the chant and looked at the pic for a minute or two to try and figure it out. That is, until one of the kids said "why?" (their word for "what?" "what's wrong" or "what's up").

For some reason, almost every Korean person I've ever met had trouble getting the difference between hiking and biking. What we'd consider hiking- they want to call it " mountain climbing". Seems a little grandiose for walking up hill on a paved path with 30 of your buddies in tacky socks and fisherman's vests doesn't it?

cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:45 pm Post subject:

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO he did not just say, "y un mojito por favor"!!@!#!!#! HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA ROFLMAO

Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:48 pm Post subject:

pa onde vai = para donde vas = that ain't Portuguese, dude, that's how they speak Spanish in Chile, 'mano. a la paraguaya = sex while standing up polola = girlfriend, but not engaged to be married Seems like you'll have a lot of fun in S. America. Sin duda, can't wait to get back there, or, next best alternative, see my family in Miami. Just so long as I'm not chanting anymore.

Alias

Joined: 24 Jan 2003

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:00 am Post subject:

butter808fly wrote:

Ive seen some kids for a year now and they dont seem to be improving to much in the speaking area, though somewhat in reading and writing.

That is what is so ironic about it. We (waygooks) were brought over here to improve their communication skills. That is obviously not happening to any great degree. Hopefully more Koreans will be catching on to the hagwon scam and put their money to better use.

deessell

Joined: 08 Jun 2005

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:49 am Post subject:

Alias wrote:

butter808fly wrote:

Ive seen some kids for a year now and they dont seem to be improving to much in the speaking area, though somewhat in reading and writing.

and start learning chinese?

JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:54 am Post subject:

deessell wrote:

Alias wrote:

butter808fly wrote:

Ive seen some kids for a year now and they dont seem to be improving to much in the speaking area, though somewhat in reading and writing.

and start learning chinese?

Yes. But they'd still have a lot of cash left over. Hiring native Chinese speakers to work & live in Korea must be dirt cheap by comparison.

deessell

Joined: 08 Jun 2005

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:37 am Post subject:

JongnoGuru wrote:

deessell wrote:

Alias wrote:

butter808fly wrote:

Ive seen some kids for a year now and they dont seem to be improving to much in the speaking area, though somewhat in reading and writing.

and start learning chinese?

Yes. But they'd still have a lot of cash left over. Hiring native Chinese speakers to work & live in Korea must be dirt cheap by comparison.

Hire them! They'd be able to buy them.

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