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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Phobias are considered a disorder and disorder is a lite form of saying disease. |
This whole post is obviously from someone who hasn't met a REAL homophobe. Let me tell you homophobes exist and every one them that i've met has been rigidly conservative.
Also remember that phobias are often NOT always treated with medications unless it effects the day to day: arachniphobia, tryscodecaphobia (or however you spell it), clownophobia...whatever the hell it is, THESE "phobias don't solicit a perscription.
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| People that are allowed by law and custom to make diagnosis are generally physicians but in a recent debate liberals have been adding the suffix pretty much at will to whatever cause they have at the time as an offense against their opponents |
you confuse "diagnosis" with "Character judgement". And frankly, that is something TOTALLY uncommon among conservatives as evidenced by the rest of your post
unless of course this thread is just a lark. Then well done |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:50 am Post subject: |
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| I'm just really tired of being force fed thought by the people with open minds or open at least according to them. |
OK, 90% of what dulouz writes I can't make sense of, but here she's hit the nail on the head. So-called "liberals" and especially "progressives" live in this fantasy world where 49.5% of people are good and 49.5% evil, and feel that it's their duty to "fight" the "evil" "conservatives" for possession of those souls in purgatory.
Seriously, they run around the countryside in election years saying "we gotta beat these frickin hillbilly christians" or "i hate that evil stupid chimpanzee-looking stuttering Texan Bush" and they wonder why Ohio people come out to stick up for the Republican candidates... Can you imagine Bush supporters campaigning in California and denouncing their opponents as "that dirty hippy Gore" or "that militant lesbian Hillary"? Would never happen. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:11 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, phobia is a mental disorder first and foremost even before it became a cliche. I'm not certain how to split this distinction between layman diagnosis and physician diagnosis but use of this term seems to relish in the benefit of the doubt where you get to make believe you are a doc knowing that no one will hold you accountable. Wikipedia mentions clinical vs nonclinical uses but without the background prefaced its an irresponsible use. You still cop the attitude that you are objective and you pretend you are a doc and you call people that disagree with you mentally ill.
Phobias are treated with anti anxiety drugs. |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:53 am Post subject: |
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You do, I suppose, know that phobos originally meant 'flight' and not 'fear'? And that its current usage came about from the concept of what people did when scared (i.e. flee)?
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| Sorry, phobia is a mental disorder first and foremost even before it became a cliche. |
What rot. Go get an etymological dictionary. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:16 am Post subject: |
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Phobias are treated with anti anxiety drugs. |
never said catagorically that they ain't...just said that they often are not. And you know they ain't.
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| I'm not certain how to split this distinction between layman diagnosis and physician diagnosis but use of this term seems to relish in the benefit of the doubt where you get to make believe you are a doc knowing that no one will hold you accountable |
how well did you read what i wrote?
let me do a one sentence rebut, as i can't imagine you'd see a need to reply with that.
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| Sorry, phobia is a mental disorder first and foremost even before it became a cliche |
sure it WAS, but not the word has grown; like saying that gay only means happy, or that queer only means strange.
i'm not talking clinical, i'm talking sociolinguistics.
You sound like someone whose trying their best to make use of their psychology major.
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| you confuse "diagnosis" with "Character judgement". |
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You still cop the attitude that you are objective and you pretend you are a doc and you call people that disagree with you mentally ill.
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Who the hell are you to talk? The fact that you disagree with me, doesn't make you mentally ill: You're being mentally ill is what disagrees with me.
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| Wikipedia mentions clinical vs nonclinical uses but without the background prefaced its an irresponsible use |
barsh flimshock!
irresponsible use!!! Where do you get off telling people when someone uses a word
and since you have a love on for wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia#Etymology
the closest thing the wikki says to what you have this huge problem with is:
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| Heterosexism and sexualism have been proposed as alternatives which are more morphologically parallel, and which do not have the association with phobia |
and one last biiig quote from the page:
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Homophobia as a medical phobia i.e., a clinically diagnosed medical condition, is quite uncommon, especially compared to the prevalence of disapproval of homosexuality for reasons described as logical, political, personal, or moral. Although not specifically listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, clinical homophobia might fall into the class of "specific phobias" or be associated with other disorders. For something that might be described as "medical homophobia", see homosexual panic.
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oh sorry folks..one more quote here...i think we've found out where little debbie cakes gets her hatred for us:
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Critics of the term thus find the association with irrational fear unwarranted, and may further find any implication that anti-LGBT political and moral views represent a diagnosable medical condition to be an attempt to disempower them by artificially medicalizing a legitimate point of view.
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:18 am Post subject: |
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Phobias are treated with anti anxiety drugs. |
never said catagorically that they ain't...just said that they often are not. And you know they ain't.
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| I'm not certain how to split this distinction between layman diagnosis and physician diagnosis but use of this term seems to relish in the benefit of the doubt where you get to make believe you are a doc knowing that no one will hold you accountable |
how well did you read what i wrote?
let me do a one sentence rebut, as i can't imagine you'd see a need to reply with that.
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| Sorry, phobia is a mental disorder first and foremost even before it became a cliche |
sure it WAS, but not the word has grown; like saying that gay only means happy, or that queer only means strange.
i'm not talking clinical, i'm talking sociolinguistics.
You sound like someone whose trying their best to make use of their psychology major.
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| you confuse "diagnosis" with "Character judgement". |
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You still cop the attitude that you are objective and you pretend you are a doc and you call people that disagree with you mentally ill.
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Who the hell are you to talk? The fact that you disagree with me, doesn't make you mentally ill: You're being mentally ill is what disagrees with me.
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| Wikipedia mentions clinical vs nonclinical uses but without the background prefaced its an irresponsible use |
barsh flimshock!
irresponsible use!!! Where do you get off telling people when someone uses a word
and since you have a love on for wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia#Etymology
the closest thing the wikki says to what you have this huge problem with is:
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| Heterosexism and sexualism have been proposed as alternatives which are more morphologically parallel, and which do not have the association with phobia |
and one last biiig quote from the page:
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Homophobia as a medical phobia i.e., a clinically diagnosed medical condition, is quite uncommon, especially compared to the prevalence of disapproval of homosexuality for reasons described as logical, political, personal, or moral. Although not specifically listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, clinical homophobia might fall into the class of "specific phobias" or be associated with other disorders. For something that might be described as "medical homophobia", see homosexual panic.
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oh sorry folks..one more quote here...i think we've found out where little debbie cakes gets her hatred for us:
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Critics of the term thus find the association with irrational fear unwarranted, and may further find any implication that anti-LGBT political and moral views represent a diagnosable medical condition to be an attempt to disempower them by artificially medicalizing a legitimate point of view.
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| Can you imagine Bush supporters campaigning in California and denouncing their opponents as "that dirty hippy Gore" or "that militant lesbian Hillary"? Would never happen. |
as a ps...you are TOTALLY kidding right? i've met several individuals who ACTUALLY used those exact words (not "militant lesbian" but "dirty butch") |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:18 am Post subject: |
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Phobias are treated with anti anxiety drugs. |
never said catagorically that they ain't...just said that they often are not. And you know they ain't.
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| I'm not certain how to split this distinction between layman diagnosis and physician diagnosis but use of this term seems to relish in the benefit of the doubt where you get to make believe you are a doc knowing that no one will hold you accountable |
how well did you read what i wrote?
let me do a one sentence rebut, as i can't imagine you'd see a need to reply with that.
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| Sorry, phobia is a mental disorder first and foremost even before it became a cliche |
sure it WAS, but not the word has grown; like saying that gay only means happy, or that queer only means strange.
i'm not talking clinical, i'm talking sociolinguistics.
You sound like someone whose trying their best to make use of their psychology major.
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| you confuse "diagnosis" with "Character judgement". |
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You still cop the attitude that you are objective and you pretend you are a doc and you call people that disagree with you mentally ill.
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Who the hell are you to talk? The fact that you disagree with me, doesn't make you mentally ill: You're being mentally ill is what disagrees with me.
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| Wikipedia mentions clinical vs nonclinical uses but without the background prefaced its an irresponsible use |
barsh flimshock!
irresponsible use!!! Where do you get off telling people when someone uses a word
and since you have a love on for wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia#Etymology
the closest thing the wikki says to what you have this huge problem with is:
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| Heterosexism and sexualism have been proposed as alternatives which are more morphologically parallel, and which do not have the association with phobia |
and one last biiig quote from the page:
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Homophobia as a medical phobia i.e., a clinically diagnosed medical condition, is quite uncommon, especially compared to the prevalence of disapproval of homosexuality for reasons described as logical, political, personal, or moral. Although not specifically listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, clinical homophobia might fall into the class of "specific phobias" or be associated with other disorders. For something that might be described as "medical homophobia", see homosexual panic.
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oh sorry folks..one more quote here...i think we've found out where little debbie cakes gets her hatred for us:
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Critics of the term thus find the association with irrational fear unwarranted, and may further find any implication that anti-LGBT political and moral views represent a diagnosable medical condition to be an attempt to disempower them by artificially medicalizing a legitimate point of view.
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| Can you imagine Bush supporters campaigning in California and denouncing their opponents as "that dirty hippy Gore" or "that militant lesbian Hillary"? Would never happen. |
as a ps...you are TOTALLY kidding right? i've met several individuals who ACTUALLY used those exact words (not "militant lesbian" but "dirty butch") |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:19 am Post subject: |
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Phobias are treated with anti anxiety drugs. |
never said catagorically that they ain't...just said that they often are not. And you know they ain't.
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| I'm not certain how to split this distinction between layman diagnosis and physician diagnosis but use of this term seems to relish in the benefit of the doubt where you get to make believe you are a doc knowing that no one will hold you accountable |
how well did you read what i wrote?
let me do a one sentence rebut, as i can't imagine you'd see a need to reply with that.
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| Sorry, phobia is a mental disorder first and foremost even before it became a cliche |
sure it WAS, but not the word has grown; like saying that gay only means happy, or that queer only means strange.
i'm not talking clinical, i'm talking sociolinguistics.
You sound like someone whose trying their best to make use of their psychology major.
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| you confuse "diagnosis" with "Character judgement". |
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You still cop the attitude that you are objective and you pretend you are a doc and you call people that disagree with you mentally ill.
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Who the hell are you to talk? The fact that you disagree with me, doesn't make you mentally ill: You're being mentally ill is what disagrees with me.
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| Wikipedia mentions clinical vs nonclinical uses but without the background prefaced its an irresponsible use |
barsh flimshock!
irresponsible use!!! Where do you get off telling people when someone uses a word
and since you have a love on for wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia#Etymology
the closest thing the wikki says to what you have this huge problem with is:
| Quote: |
| Heterosexism and sexualism have been proposed as alternatives which are more morphologically parallel, and which do not have the association with phobia |
and one last biiig quote from the page:
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Homophobia as a medical phobia i.e., a clinically diagnosed medical condition, is quite uncommon, especially compared to the prevalence of disapproval of homosexuality for reasons described as logical, political, personal, or moral. Although not specifically listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, clinical homophobia might fall into the class of "specific phobias" or be associated with other disorders. For something that might be described as "medical homophobia", see homosexual panic.
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oh sorry folks..one more quote here...i think we've found out where little debbie cakes gets her hatred for us:
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Critics of the term thus find the association with irrational fear unwarranted, and may further find any implication that anti-LGBT political and moral views represent a diagnosable medical condition to be an attempt to disempower them by artificially medicalizing a legitimate point of view.
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| Can you imagine Bush supporters campaigning in California and denouncing their opponents as "that dirty hippy Gore" or "that militant lesbian Hillary"? Would never happen. |
as a ps...you are TOTALLY kidding right? i've met several individuals who ACTUALLY used those exact words (not "militant lesbian" but "dirty butch") |
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funplanet
Joined: 20 Jun 2003
Location: The new Bucheon!
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:42 am Post subject: |
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| dulouz....by now you should know that liberals are not capable of intelligent discourse...."shouting down" and the use of "phobia this and phobia that" is their only way to get attention |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| or "that militant lesbian Hillary"? Would never happen. |
Ummmm...unless that example was just a random combination of words that popped into your mind, then it is an example that 'certain groups' have claimed Hillary is a lesbian. No known evidence for the claim and who cares if it is true? |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| or "that militant lesbian Hillary"? Would never happen. |
Ummmm...unless that example was just a random combination of words that popped into your mind, then it is an example that 'certain groups' have claimed Hillary is a lesbian. No known evidence for the claim and who cares if it is true? |
What? |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:59 am Post subject: |
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sorry everyone!!! How did my post go up four times?
Weird....i'm sure it wasn't me but humble apologies all around |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:24 am Post subject: |
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I'll try again. Joe said,
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| Can you imagine Bush supporters campaigning in California and denouncing their opponents as "that dirty hippy Gore" or "that militant lesbian Hillary"? Would never happen. |
Clearly it DID happen or the phrase 'that militant lesbian Hillary' would not have entered your mind. |
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