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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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Do you actually expect people to believe your garbage ??? Accusing journalists of committing acts of teror you're clearly getting desperate  |
Those guys aren't journalist they are fascist bigots, who live off conspriacy theories
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| Who REALLY stands to gain ??? |
9-11 conspiracy theorists like Jeff Rense and Alex Jones, and their sicko fascist conspriacy theorists.
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| Try as you like, most see how you constantly seek to sidetrack disscusions, shifting the readers' focus & attn., away from the real "puppet masters" agenda. Have you managed yet to make that a full time job for yourself ??? |
Of course Jeff Rense supporters would say, that by the way how is it that you have time to side track discussions with the disinformation of your fascist masters?
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| Well known indie journalists like Rense & Jones ( there are many others now thankfully as well ) mainly report on things as they unfold, and are NOT actively sponsoring these highly intricate & well orchestrated acts of terror. They know & understand the agenda, and what the elite & their minions are pushing for. What kinda drugs RU on man ??? |
Rense and Jones are fascists.
They live off conspiracy theories and disinformation . Without them they wouldn't have a job.
They might do anything since they wish to see disorder and they need conspiracy theories to do this.
By the way the bombings weren't that sophisticated. Wrong again Charles.
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Problem / reaction / solution. "Order from out of Chaos" ( a favourite Illuminati or Masonick slogan ... take your pick ). Blow it up, knock it down, build it all back up again  ( all of course at the tax payers expense ) |
Just as likely that Jeff Rense or his supporters did it.
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| Who's REALLY cashing in on the "WAR" on "TERROR" ??? For starters, how about the Carlyle Group ??? Bushes, Bin Ladens, former |
Jeff Rense. Michael Rivero . w/o conpiracy theories they wouldn't have a job. They would have to sell drugs or other sick things on the internet.
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| British PM John Major, Donny Rumsfeld's former YALE roomie Frank Carlucci etc etc. How about Halliburton or the TAVISTOCK INSTITUTE ??? Guess not eh ??? |
When the stock market goes down , Rumsefield and the republicans lose money.
However when there are acts of terror or when the stock market goes down Jeff Rense and Micheal Rivero and Alex Jones make money.
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| As you're well aware if there's NO WAR these guys are out of business. |
actually those guys make more money off other stocks that go down when there is a war.
As for the Carlye group there are many other defense contracters far larger and far more important.
and Rumsfeild cancelled the biggiest defense project for Carlye.
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| ONLY profit from disorder & bloodshed, global upheaval, & suffering. |
No jeff Rense and Michael Rivero profit from profit from disorder & bloodshed, global upheaval, & suffering. So do their supporters.
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| one world fascist police state if you will. |
Jeff Rense is a supporter of Zundal and is a holocaust denier.
The 9-11 conspiracy theorists are themselves fascists/
So are hezbbollah , Al Qaida , and those who luv Saddam or Khomeni.
They are the real fascists.
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| st, however, they need a crisis to cash in on. |
So does Jeff Rense and his supporters
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| A pretense for extreme action e.g. martial Law ( or a "Patriot" / ENABLING Act ) |
Even with the Patrot act the US is one of the most free and tolerant nations in the world.
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| Kinda like the good people from PNAC talked about when they referred to fabricating a new "Operation Northwoods" styled "Pearl Harbour". |
Where did they say that?
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| More reason to bring in ( and ca$h in on ) a biometric fascist police state, |
But Jeff Rense is a real fascist. He lives off causing disorder, His supporters are fascists too.
So were the Taliban.
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| destroy constitutions & charters of rights |
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Actully the Patriot act was passed legally .
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| trample all over national sovereignty |
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Protect the rights of the Bathists , Khomnneists and the followers of Bin Laden while they incite violence , fund Al Qaida , teach hate and plan terror.
No way. They don' t have a right to their war. No More.
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| finally form their one-world army, one-world currency & network of privately owned WACKeNHUT "for profit" prisons. |
Whatever Bin Laden , and Khomeni and Jeff Rense are all fascists.
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| BTW - speaking of prisons ( and who stands to $ profit $ from chaos & upheaval ), as you're likely aware, your buddies the Bushes main assets are not in oil or banks. When they're not busy fleecing the AmeriKan public in SAVINGS & LOANS scandals, or electronically fixing Presidential elections, most of their time & investments reside in building jails in order to lock more people up ( or simply execute them ). |
Show it w/o using your fascist 9-11 conspiracy sites.
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| NWO Joo. We know you love it. |
You luv it when grave stones are kick over.
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But those on Jeff Rense site are holocaust deniers.
Jeff Rense is a fascist bigot so are his supporters |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| I really don't think that's a fair attack on what he wrote, he made a pretty even analysis of the root causes of this attack |
What? The intolerant Islamic extremism that has been allowed to fester in this country. I don't think he mentioned that once.
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| He did not blame white racists, he simply brought them into the equasion and they do have a role to play in this. |
It was not the ideology of white racism that caused this attack, but the infidel and kuffar hatred flowing from the Koran.
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| I also find it quite amusing the way you paint the Afro-Carribean community as models of harmonious integration into the UK. |
I never said the black community was a 'model' of harmonious integration. However, they have very high rates of intermarriage with the white community compared to the Pakistani community.
We need to start a debate on Islam, and it's compatibility vis-a-vis British society. Unfortunately, the government is now considering bringing in a 'religious hatred' bill designed to curry favour with muslims, who cannot handle their religion being criticised, as the Rushdie affair demonstrated.
And just in case anyone doesn't understand the nature of the enemy we face, here's the killer of Theo Van Gogh explaining why he did it.
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/050712/w071236.html
``What moved me to do what I did was purely my faith. ... I was motivated by the law that commands me to cut off the head of anyone who insults Allah and his prophet,'' he said.
I'm sure white racists caused that brutal murder also. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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It was not the ideology of white racism that caused this attack, but the infidel and kuffar hatred flowing from the Koran.
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Christianity is uncomfortable with hatred. Islam seems to thrive on it.
Christianity urges tolerance and forgiveness- the Koran does not accept non believers as human. That is the root cause.
Although the main body of muslims just want to get on with living life peacefully, the lunatic fringe will always accompany it, because of the words of the Koran- "kill the infidel" as opposed to the Christian "turn the other cheek" or "love your enemy". It leaves no room for reason or compromise. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| I'm sure white racists caused that brutal murder also. |
Nobody claimed that white racists caused the attacks or the the murder of Van gogh. You're constantly building a straw man here. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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"In compliance with God's order," read the fax released from his London office, "we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims to kill the Americans."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1564626.stm
Peace be upon you. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 8:06 am Post subject: |
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The more interesting bit from that link:
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After Abu Hamza, welcomed the massacre of 58 European tourists at Luxor in October 1997, Egypt denounced Britain as a hotbed for radicals.
The Egyptian State Information Service posted a "Call to Combat Terrorism" on its official web site.
Of its 14 most wanted terrorists, seven - it said - were based in Britain.
Foremost amongst them was Yasser al-Sirri, sentenced to death in absentia for plotting the failed assassination of an Egyptian prime minister, and still running - with British permission - the Islamic Observation Centre in London, a mouthpiece for Egyptian rebels.
Yemen, too, called for Abu Hamza's extradition.
And after a wave of bombings and kidnappings in 1998, the Yemeni authorities arrested eight Britons in possession of weapons and explosives. One was Abu Hamza's son.
Four months later, Britain briefly detained Abu Hamza, then released him. |
Oh the irony. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Melanie Philips astutely describes the denial that the media and muslim leaders are going through over the role of Islam in these attacks.
http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles/archives/001326.html
"Far from being adherents of a ��religion of peace��, huge numbers of Muslims world-wide support al Qaeda — 65 per cent in Pakistan, 45 per cent in Morocco. And in Britain, where the vast majority of Muslims are opposed to terrorism, according to an ICM poll carried out for the Guardian some 13 per cent of a Muslim community of 1.6 million support it.
But above all, the responsible Muslim community and its leaders — who are the majority — must come out of denial and unequivocally condemn the extreme interpretation of Islam that is twisting the minds of the minority of zealots in its midst.
This war for civilisation won��t be won by practical action alone. What we are up against is a death cult which recruits its foot-soldiers through propaganda based on lies and distortions which inflame grievance into murderous rage. These lies emanating from extremists in the Muslim world have been further inflated by support from those in the wider community in Britain — mainly on the left — whose obsessive repetition of such falsehoods and disproportionate attention to the misdeeds of the west while ignoring Muslim atrocities have helped turn grievance into hysteria."
In fact, most muslim leaders, are once again peddling the victim culture that so many muslims seem to accept as fact. |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:48 am Post subject: |
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And what does supporting Al Queda actually mean?
I can quite imagine a fair few Muslims would support their aims w.r.t. the Middle East, whilst condemning their methods in attempting to achieve that.
Anyone who thinks they disagree with everything Bin Laden has ever said needs to a) read his words more carefully and b) think carefully about who and what they're apologising for by doing so (not that that means OBL's alternatives or desires are in any way better, but that's not really the point).
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day (unless it's got an AM/PM indicator). |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:06 am Post subject: |
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bigverne, here's what your blog says:
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| "Far from being adherents of a ��religion of peace��, huge numbers of Muslims world-wide support al Qaeda — 65 per cent in Pakistan, 45 per cent in Morocco. And in Britain, where the vast majority of Muslims are opposed to terrorism, according to an ICM poll carried out for the Guardian some 13 per cent of a Muslim community of 1.6 million support it. |
Here was the actual question:
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Q7. Would you regard further attacks by Al Qaeda, or similar organisations on the USA as justified or unjustified?
Justified 13%
Unjustified 73%
Don't know 15% |
IOW, your blog is full of shit. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| burned. ouch. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| I can quite imagine a fair few Muslims would support their aims w.r.t. the Middle East |
The destruction of Israel and the return to Taleban-esque governments, where minorities and women are ruthlessly repressed. Do you think the support of such policies should be criticised?
If 'a fair few' muslims support even the aims of such an intolerant bunch of fascists (and it appears that many do), that rather destroys the liberal claims that 'the overwhelming majority of muslims are moderates', and that it is 'a religion of peace'.
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| whilst condemning their methods in attempting to achieve that. |
If I support white supremacist policies of a racially 'pure' England, is that o.k as long as I disagree with some of the more distasteful means of achieving that? Or are such views morally repugnant?
Is supporting an ideology which calls for the destruction of Israel, and the introduction of medieval governments where women and religious minorities have almost no freedom acceptable, or is it morally repugnant?
Watching you fall over yourself to excuse Islamic intolerance would be funny if it weren't for the fact that such an ideology led to the brutal slaying of over 50 innocent souls in London last week. What a bizarre moral universe you inhabit. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| huge numbers of Muslims world-wide support al Qaeda — 65 per cent in Pakistan, 45 per cent in Morocco. And in Britain, where the vast majority of Muslims are opposed to terrorism, according to an ICM poll carried out for the Guardian some 13 per cent of a Muslim community of 1.6 million support it. |
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Would you regard further attacks by Al Qaeda, or similar organisations on the USA as justified or unjustified?
Justified 13%
Unjustified 73%
Don't know 15% |
As the poll points out 13% of British muslims support further terrorist attacks on the USA. Hence 13% of British muslims support Al-Qaeda. What was your point exactly? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Justified and support are two different things.
For instance, if a man kills another man who had raped his wife, I'd say he is justified and say the rapist had it coming to him, but I would not support the vengeful action because a) it is illegal b) i don't believe in the philosophy of "an eye for an eye." Now if I defended the man and stood up in his defense, then I'd be supporting him. The same with those 13% of Muslims. They might think OBL's actions were excusable, but that doesn't mean they think that his actions were productive or something they'd support.
What that poll shows is 13% of british muslims are apologists.
Justify definition
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bignate
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
Location: Hell's Ditch
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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bigverne, here's what your blog says:
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| "Far from being adherents of a ��religion of peace��, huge numbers of Muslims world-wide support al Qaeda — 65 per cent in Pakistan, 45 per cent in Morocco. And in Britain, where the vast majority of Muslims are opposed to terrorism, according to an ICM poll carried out for the Guardian some 13 per cent of a Muslim community of 1.6 million support it. |
Here was the actual question:
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Q7. Would you regard further attacks by Al Qaeda, or similar organisations on the USA as justified or unjustified?
Justified 13%
Unjustified 73%
Don't know 15% |
IOW, your blog is full of *beep*. |
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huge numbers of Muslims world-wide support al Qaeda — 65 per cent in Pakistan, 45 per cent in Morocco. And in Britain, where the vast majority of Muslims are opposed to terrorism, according to an ICM poll carried out for the Guardian some 13 per cent of a Muslim community of 1.6 million support it.
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Would you regard further attacks by Al Qaeda, or similar organisations on the USA as justified or unjustified?
Justified 13%
Unjustified 73%
Don't know 15%
As the poll points out 13% of British muslims support further terrorist attacks on the USA. Hence 13% of British muslims support Al-Qaeda. What was your point exactly? |
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Justified and support are two different things.
For instance, if a man kills another man who had raped his wife, I'd say he is justified and say the rapist had it coming to him, but I would not support the vengeful action because a) it is illegal b) i don't believe in the philosophy of "an eye for an eye." Now if I defended the man and stood up in his defense, then I'd be supporting him. The same with those 13% of Muslims. They might think OBL's actions were excusable, but that doesn't mean they think that his actions were productive or something they'd support.
What that poll shows is 13% of british muslims are apologists.
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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not saying you're wrong but i'd like to see your sources on your claim that they were trained in afghanistan.
all the news reports i've seen so far suggest otherwise. surely it would be too early to have discovered that? |
That was just an assumption based on the fact that thousands of British muslim youths were sentby mosques for training and to fight alongside the Taliban during the Afghanistan conflict.
However latest news on the bombers:
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050713/325/fn81q.html
-reveals that one was a "sports graduate had spent two months in Afghanistan last year and four months in the Pakistani city of Lahore.'
yes, its syill too early to say. But the fact remains that many muslim youths were packed off to Afghanistan by British muslim leaders. |
Oh my god! Lahore! Not there! Hmmm, maybe he has family there, just a thought. |
Investigators now Know the 3 bombers all spent 2 months in Pakistan undergoing "ideological training". They were then sent on their mission by a mastermind handler who fled the country shortly before the bombing. |
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