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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Its the Musuo people of China. They have a matriarchal society where the children live in households headed by women. Lovers never get married. Men will come to the house and stay the night, then leave. They later will visit thier children. These men also have multiple lovers. |
Matriarchies can really be ugly. I lived in a matriarchical society where men were generally scorned and enjoyed no rights as fathers. |
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ChimpumCallao
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: your mom
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| Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 4:02 am Post subject: |
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I agree with Gopher.
Why should the state dictate how many people you want to marry? As long as it is consensual then there is no problem. I do not understand people's dependence on the state to control aspect of other's people's lives. If you don't want to have a polygamous marriage then....don't. |
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| It has an extremely small brain, capable of only the most rudimentary of mental processes. Yet the males are trying to mate with all of the females and the females play coy with the males |
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Reminds me of my days in dorm. Those first-yearers were really something.
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| I lived in a matriarchical society where men were generally scorned and enjoyed no rights as fathers. |
Didn't know you lived in Canada, Gopher!
There are a few species, I think geese for example, who are monogamous. I suppose another reason for evolving concepts of monogamy is the protection of children.
I know very few people who are actually polygamous, although I know many who have serial monogamous relationships, that is, numerous partners but one at a time. Maybe the difference means something.
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I lived in a matriarchical society where men were generally scorned and enjoyed no rights as fathers. |
Didn't know you lived in Canada, Gopher! |
Why have I heard this same comment from nearly all the Canadian males I've ever met? (and the far greater number I've read on Dave's) As I've met most of these people in Korea, that may suggest Korea attracts soreheads, but to the extent there's anything to it... |
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krats1976
Joined: 14 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the link OiGirl. That was really interesting.
I'd love to discuss this more (studied historical polygamy a bit in college--fascinating subject), but I'd probably get trolled.  |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the link OiGirl. That was really interesting.
I'd love to discuss this more (studied historical polygamy a bit in college--fascinating subject), but I'd probably get trolled. |
Hey, we all get trolled if we have something intelligent and thoughtful to say about knee-jerk emotional subjects.
I started a thread a couple of years ago challenging monogamy, and boy did I get holy hell. Holy being the operative term.
Monogamy amongst humans is a social arrangement. Societies have laws that, by virtue of an implied social contract we all agree to follow, or attempt to change. A lot of these laws were put in place to protect the interests of weaker members of society, or to advance the interests of the stronger. Mandatory monogamy does a bit of both.
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Hellfire and sexual coercion: the dark side of American polygamist sects
Julian Borger in Manti, Utah
Thursday June 30, 2005
The Guardian
James Harmston's letters to his youngest bride threaten fire and brimstone for her refusal to sleep with him. Not only would Rachael, 43 years his junior, have "a lonely miserable life" in this world for not going to his bed, but it would be far worse in the next.
"Rachael, the facts are, whether you want to believe or not, the end is coming and judgment will be executed in severity, especially for those who have broken their covenants," Mr Harmston wrote, adding: "For certain I will deal with you in the future eternity."
He signed himself "Your Husband, King and Priest", and sent copies of his letters to five of his 18 wives, one of whom was Rachael's mother, Pauline. |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1517783,00.html
At a time when women were subject to annual pregnancy, the economic interests of the nuclear family (another social arrangement) were best served by limiting marriage to one man and one woman. This is the issue of monogamy in Utah at the moment. There we are not talking about a situation where two (or more) free and equal people are working out the arrangements of their personal lives. It is a situation where the men are fully in charge, reproduction is unlimited by birth control, and minors are placed into arranged marriages with older men with multiple wives. These minors have not had a chance, or had the intellectual and psychic space, to decide their own best interests. Soon, very soon, they are mothers fully dependant on their husbands.
Yes, in principle, I agree fully that arrangements such as polyandry, polygamy and monogamy should be free decisions amongst consenting adults, the reality of the situation can mitigate against such freedom.
By the way, in Korea, prior to the Chosun Dynasty which brought in neo-Confuscianism, some women did have multiple husbands. They maintained separate and independant households.
Marriage is a convention, and all conventions are arbitrary and mutable. |
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