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If this is what "nice" Muslims do in Britain.....
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Wrench

Joined: 07 Apr 2005

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:08 pm Post subject:

rapier wrote:

Partitioning due to Muslim tensions...

Pakistan broke off from India due to muslim majority..and then bangladesh..not to mention Former russian republics and the Baltics..Chechen muslims have imported the conflict into Dagestan, and so on.
Their plan has not been to partition a country so much as to gradually take it over.
having even a small muslim population is like planting a virus- small at first, but relentless in its spread.

World war three is underway, and it's much more sinister than you could have imagined. When did it start? Fourteen centuries ago, when an insane man named Mohammed who, along with his gang of terrorists, formed the savagely oppressive, dehumanizing religion of Islam.

Through centuries of fanatical conquests (Jihads) and terrorism (when Jihads failed), Islam has metastasized into a modern day world cancer. As we speak, the civilized world is beginning to collapse under it and has no idea how to react. How does one stop a grotesque cult which will settle for nothing less than TOTAL world domination? So while the U.S. looks under every rock for Osama bin Laden, the bloody borders of Islam are closing in on all sides... for in fact every American/British Muslim has the potential to become a bin Laden or an abettor of a bin Laden.

In population, Islam is exploding, the West dying. Islamic warriors are willing to suffer defeat and death, the West recoils at casualties. They are full of grievance; we, full of guilt. Where Islam prevails, it asserts a right to impose its dogma, while the West preaches equality. Islam is assertive, the West apologetic about its crusaders, conquerors and empires. Don't count Islam out. It is the fastest growing faith in Europe and has surpassed Catholicism worldwide. And as Christianity expires in the West and the churches empty out, the mosques are going up.

An impending disaster lies ahead. Unfortunately the U.S. military cannot help for it was always preparing for the wrong war. Soviet or Chinese communism was never driven by such fanaticism. Besides, the Russians stayed in Russian and the Chinese in China. By contrast, the Soldiers of Islam are spreading into all societies... first as simple shop owners and cab drivers, then students, then student activists, then violent agitators and finally assassins and bombers. Look for a mosque to appear soon in your neighborhood.

Islam" does not mean "peace". The actual word means "surrender". Did you know that?

You hit the nail on the head. When the open conflict finnaly occurs it will have to be genocidal. You will have to kill the entire cancer. I forsee that the middle east will become a glass bowl thats not going to be liveable for 4000 years. I agree with you Islam is a cancer and it needs to be eradicated, in fact I think the world would be better off with out any religion.

Some one mentioned that they were nice muslims and they were nice and quiet people. All I got to say to that is; always worry about the quiet ones.

bignate

Joined: 30 Apr 2003
Location: Hell's Ditch

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:26 pm Post subject:

rapier wrote:

Nostradamus called he wants his prophecy back Confused

rapier

Joined: 16 Feb 2003

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 8:06 pm Post subject:

bucheon bum wrote:

By your logic, you better be careful of xtianity. Why? Because those damn hutus killed 800,000 Tutsis in a span of a month in Rwanda. They weren't spreading xtianity you say?

First up i never mentioned rwanda. But as far as the causes of that genocide go,..Its called tribalism: Africa is rife with it. Ethnic cleansing. Nothing to do with Christianity.
Why would you be careful of christianity? It is a voluntary religion, spread by evangelisation, not by beheading and terror. Progress and prosperity, tolerance and freedom has followed everywhere in its wake. Its a matter of personal choice.

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Neithere were the Sudanese spreading Islam. You think the sudanese would have spared any of those peoples' lives if they claimed to have converted? I doubt it. If only it were that simple and easy. It isn't just religion you nimrod. It's also linguistic differences; the Muslims speak Arabic, other Sudanese don't.

Quit with the name calling.
Lets see what the aid worker had to say:

"Villagers in several areas of the northeast Upper Nile region say that when women are captured by government forces they are asked: "Are you Christian or Muslim?"

Women who answer "Muslim" are set free, but typically soldiers gang-rape those who answer "Christian" then cut off their breasts and leave them to die as an example for others."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26672

You say they weren't spreading Islam:

In 1986, Musba entered the Uduk tribal capital of Chali and declared to its Christians: "You are all going to convert from Christianity to Islam today, because here is what's going to happen to you if you don't."

Musba then killed five church leaders in front of the gathered villagers. When they refused to convert, he began killing unarmed men, women and children. Some were herded at gunpoint into a hut then run over by a 50-ton, Soviet-made tank.

-looks like that just defeated all your previous assertions.

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Islam" does not mean "peace". The actual word means "surrender". Did you know that?

It means submission. And it means submission to god.

-ah, that would be the God who directs all muslims to fight and kill any non-believers.

BB I think its great that you took a holiday in bahrain or wherever..and I'm sure you're knowledgable, etc..but.. Smell the coffee, dude. I've known many muslims too: doesn't mean I'm about to defend their perverse religion. What you're doing is defending a culture of state sanctioned murder, rape and oppression. It may be a fashionable liberal stance to parade with now, but you'll be regretting it when the jihad blows through your front door.

mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:17 am Post subject:

A holiday in Bahrain or wherever... you could just read his blog and find out.

mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:23 am Post subject:

How different is Islam practiced in Arab countries counpared with Saharan Africa? What do Arabs think of that? I remember reading the Wikipedia artical on female circumcision and something like 80% of the people in some countries in the Sahara make their women undergo it.

rapier

Joined: 16 Feb 2003

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:31 am Post subject:

mithridates wrote:

A holiday in Bahrain or wherever... Confused

you could just read his blog and find out.

I did..Turns out the guy is in reality, even more radical than I am. In fact he makes mussolini look like a saint. Quote beach bum (aka yemeni wannabe):

"Monday, November 08, 2004
Fallujah. I think we need to go in there and be as barbaric as possible. Yes, I'm serious. We need to show we're crazy and willing to do anything to put the smack down."

Sunday, December 12, 2004

Egypt is a joke, as is Jordan. Jordan is going nowhere, which I suppose is better than some Arab countries, which are going downwards (ex: syria). As for Egypt, its economic reforms are going about as fast as a snail, in fact probably slower. And Yemen? HA, that's the biggest joke of all. Its economy is going down the toilet and its President is a benevolent dictator, who now is cracking down on the media. Free speech is regressing there.

the Iraq war might be a good thing. If it turns out for the better, inshallah, then hell, I say do it to the rest of the region."

-so much for your superior muslim civilisation eh BB? I guess algebra alone doesn't make a successful society.

Arab leaders pointing out how they've improved women's rights. YAY, more power for women! Giddy up! Uh yeah, so they have more rights on paper but in reality they're still shat upon while the corrupt, incompetant arab leaders now get more money. Who cares if it's a complete police state where there are pictures of the President/Dictator everywhere? (Tunisia being the biggest example of all)

-so you mean muslim states are corrupt incompetent dictatorships?

Wednesday, January 12, 2005
... the Egyptian's wife informs him that she was raped by the 4 men.
...He had no rights as an Egyptian (well Saudis have no rights in their own country, but that's another story). ... The point of this story is there is rampent abuse going on in Saudi Arabia, especially the kind I described above. They have no recourse if they are raped.

-really sounds like a progressive egalitarian society BB, I'm now convinced we should vote in muslim governments all over the west.

Turns out old BB is just masquerading as a muslim wannabe- not really as naive as the devils advocate he is portraying on this thread, haha.

-excellent video here:
http://www.afsi.org/MEDIA/newsLinks/shockers/shockers.html

Last edited by rapier on Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:57 am; edited 1 time in total

khyber

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:47 am Post subject:

remember the Reformation? Consider this period of islam like a rab reformation.... curious to see whos gonna win this one: the righteous and forgiving forward thinkers, or those staunch hard headed traditionalists.

mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:46 am Post subject:

rapier wrote:

mithridates wrote:

A holiday in Bahrain or wherever... Confused

you could just read his blog and find out.

No, what you found out is that it's possible to be something other than 100% for or against a group of people/culture/religion, that it's not a paradox to like something and criticize its weaknesses at the same time. There's no masquerade.

rapier

Joined: 16 Feb 2003

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:56 am Post subject:

mithridates wrote:

Sure mith:, i'm as uncomfortable with hatred as you are- i try to look for balances and good in cultures as well...
but i've known several muslims who are quite comfortable with their hatreds and grievances..and treat westerners like trash while living in our countries. i have many examples of it from London, Holland, to the south of France etc.. They certainly don't lose sleep over it either.

I'm just warning of the direction things are headed. Be aware of the implications and dangers:.. over the past 50 years for example,the world population of Christians increased by 47%, Buddhists 63%, and Muslims by 235%! Look at the fruits of this...muslim wars spanning the globe..escalating terrorism.. lets just call a spade a spade, shall we?

Unless the muslim world is able to rid itself of extremism, integrate peacefully into their host western societies, become more tolerant of other faiths and ethnicities and so on.. then we're headed for severe problems...i don't hold out much hope. And on current trends, our precious western liberties will be gradually and surely snuffed out.

mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:10 am Post subject:

Actually I thought the posts you made up until the last two days have been quite good, and mostly fair. I don't see the point of trying to make B.B. out as an apologist though, that's a bit off the mark. I noticed that the biggest increase in internet use over the past five years has been in the Arab world, over 200% compared to around 130% and a bit higher for other parts, though of course the total is still quite low.

bucheon bum

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject:

rapier wrote:

I'm just warning of the direction things are headed. Be aware of the implications and dangers:.. over the past 50 years for example,the world population of Christians increased by 47%, Buddhists 63%, and Muslims by 235%! Look at the fruits of this...muslim wars spanning the globe..escalating terrorism.. lets just call a spade a spade, shall we?

Give me one example where the # of Muslims has grown through warfare during that time.

There are a number of reasons the Muslim population has shot up. For starters, in the 60s and 70s it became fashionable w/in black society in the United States to convert to Islam. Fashionable is not the appropriate word but it is the best that comes to mind at the moment. Anyway, that just explains one small bit of growth.

Another reason is people have become more familiar with Islam in the last 50 years. Due to globalization and the increasing relevance of the M.East in global affairs (due to oil and the Israeli conflict), more people have become aware of Islam, and a number have consequently converted. Most of the Muslims I studied with in Yemen were western converts. The non-converted ones were all from S.East Asia and stuck to themselves, but I digress. Another product of globalization is muslims marrying non-muslims. While a woman does not have to convert to Islam when marrying a Muslim man, she often does; conversly, a non-Muslim man must become muslim before marrying a Muslim woman. One of the posters on this board did just that w/in the past year.

The biggest reason of all is population growth. Muslims simply have bigger families than people of other faiths (Mormons being the one exception). That's also, as you pointed out Rapier, the reason why Muslims are quickly becoming a bigger and bigger % of the Western European population.

The reason you pissed me off Rapier is a) you said Islamic socities have never contributed to civilization in general and have been pests, so to speak. That is 100% false. There isn't a society in this world that hasn't contributed something to the greater good of mankind. Granted, some have given more than others, but nevertheless, they've all given something.

b) you generalize way too much. There are one BILLION muslims out there. Many of them are about as religous as me. They never pray, don't follow Ramadan, and could care less about the Koran. Granted, they are a small minority, but they are out there. And I really don't know about Muslims in Europe (met very few), but the ones I've met here in America are as American as me. One was an intern for freaking John Ashcroft. Now if he and Ashcroft can see eye-to-eye, I think there is hope in the world. Wink

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