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Freezer Burn

Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Location: Busan
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:17 am Post subject: |
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Withcraft the term was invented by christians, and most rituals, symbols and customs were stolen by christianity and are still used today.
Yule= Christmas, Oester = Easter.
Witchcraft is linked to nature more to "demons", Harry Potter has more Occult leanings than Wicca or Witchcraft.
As far as it corrupting our youth and making them want to cast their wicked spells onto the world, I don't think kids are stupid, and imagination plays a key role in developing into a normal healthy adult.
As a kid I grew up reading Roald Dahl, if J.K Rowling can compete with XBOX, PS2, computers, TV, Malls, and music to get kids to read then thats awesome. |
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PolyChronic Time Girl

Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Location: Korea Exited
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Many of my friends are Wiccans and I think they are pretty damn cool! And no, they are not "Satan Worshippers" or black witches....oh, and Harry Potter rocks! |
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Bunnymonster

Joined: 16 Mar 2004 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:26 am Post subject: |
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Sportsguy35 wrote: |
I wrote this from a point as a christian being scared that these kids will grow up and not know to pray against witchcraft because it is satanic. |
Surely thats ok so long as they remember to pray against gays, people who perform abortions and those who use contraceptives.
I find it really entertaining that you cn speak so 'eloquently' about the evils of harry potter yet say nothing about the evils of the real world which worryingly large numbers of church leaders seem set on working to perpetuate......
Surely the biggest worry is that children will read Harry potter and learn that not everything they read in books is true and that if one story is untrue than perhaps they should critically asses every other story they read. This is quite a dangerous proposition for something which is based purely on believing things regardless of proof.
Frankly though I'm only interested in this lifetime so am not purposfully driven enough to read the potter books so I guess I'm safe, for now..................... (actually I used to play in a Mage game so I'm now perpetually dammed)
sorry Laura I realise I'm getting a massive slap when I get home but I was bored..................
remember kids be excellent to one another |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:34 am Post subject: |
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Does crossing your fingers or carrying a rabbit's foot really bring you good luck? Many people in the post-Enlightenment world say No, these are harmless superstitions. There are no magic words you can say that will bring good or bad luck to people. There is no 'evil eye' that can make your cows sicken and die. Modern physics has proven that broom sticks are not aerodynamically designed.
Unfortunately, there is a segment of Christians who are convinced that the air around them is filled with demons just waiting to grab their soul. There isn't a whole lot that can be done with people who have had the experience of modern education and reject it. They are still living in a world where "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" is a useful question.
I once attended a week-long workshop. One of the other students was a teacher/week-end preacher. One evening we took a walk down a country road because there was a beautiful full moon. The conversation turned religious. This guy insisted he could sense the demons in the air around us. It was a spooky experience. Not because of any demons in the air, but because of the demons in his mind. I made double sure I locked my bedroom door that night.
There is a danger with them. They do not distinguish between fact and fantasy. They used to have the political power to have thousands of people burned at the stake because of what these people did in other people's dreams.
Do Harry Potter books have a bad influence on children? No. Children can distinguish between fantasy and reality. Are people who think Harry Potter books dangerous dangerous themselves? Yes they are. |
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Freezer Burn

Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Location: Busan
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:36 am Post subject: |
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PolyChronic Time Girl

Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Location: Korea Exited
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:57 am Post subject: |
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I went to a crazy Christian camp when I was 9 years old, and the leaders(zealots/cult leaders) were telling us children that we had to be careful of our dolls/teddy bears because they can be possessed by demons and steal our souls or some crap like that. I have nothing against Christians....majority are good people....but there are some crazed zealots out there and they always seem to find me.  |
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sheba
Joined: 16 May 2005 Location: Here there and everywhere!
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:08 am Post subject: |
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I've seen a lot more (bad) acts carried out by 'christains' than I have by 'satanic wortshippers'....
Never mind rape, abuse, murder.... lets badger Harry Potter.... |
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thebum

Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Location: North Korea
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:03 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy pretty much said it. It's fantasy. That's all it is. Just like the Lord of the Rings. And Peter Pan. |
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Grotto

Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:08 am Post subject: |
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Wow. It is hard to believe that there are people that stupid in the world today. The bible is a million times more harmful than a fantasy book.
Shouldnt this thread have been confined to the religious forum where all insanity reigns. |
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Lizara

Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:10 am Post subject: Re: who else thinks Harry Potter is bad??? |
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Butterfly wrote: |
sportsguy35 wrote: |
Magic and Scorcery was started using demons and most who still practice it call upon demons |
Are you for real guy or are you just trying to stimulate a debate?
Anyway, I considered the question and found this tickler from a load of people who seem to think Harry Potter is in fact, Lucifer himself reaching us through our children:
http://www.exposingsatanism.org/harrypotter.htm
But didn't Harry Potter rescue Dobby from eternal servitude? That's quite christian behaviour, I rather thought.
My own view is that witchcraft is a christian concept, which was invented to persecute those who followed older, pre-christian ways. |
That article is satirical (and hilarious...)
and speaking as a Christian... there are a lot of very positive messages in the book. for instance, love being more powerful than anything Voldemort can do. It's not like they're actively encouraging children to worship Satan and really, as others have said, there are bigger concerns.
It seems to be just about impossible to have a real discussion about religion on an Internet messageboard, so I'm not going to argue any of this further. yeah, a lot of people who called themselves Christian didn't really act like it. A lot of people who call themselves atheists are total bastards but that doesn't mean their beliefs are necessarily wrong. |
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krats1976

Joined: 14 May 2003
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:19 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Do Harry Potter books have a bad influence on children? No. Children can distinguish between fantasy and reality. |
I agree. Kids are smarter than most people give them credit for.
I'm a Christian, active in my congregation, and I have no problem whatsoever with Harry Potter. Heaven forbid we let children read about love triumphing over greed!! |
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sportsguy35
Joined: 27 Apr 2005
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:22 am Post subject: |
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K, first of all, like I said earlier, I am coming at this as a Christian. Jesus cast out many a demon in his day. The story about the guy who was hunched over and Jesus kicked out the demons and they left and entered 40 pigs that ran into the water and drowned. Demons are real.Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. This has been taken out of contex a lot, but it is true. Satan is going to use every way he can to water down Christianity. There are a lot of other more important things out there, of course. I know this. But this was just something I wanted to get peoples opinions on. I just see little johhny christian in high school sitting next to someone who is involved with witchcraft and thinking to himself this stuff isnt bad, I read about this in elementary school and I think its kinda interesting. As far as the word witchcraft goes, it means magic or sorcery. Not earth worship, or at least that is what the dictionary says.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=witchcraft |
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Picture Perfect
Joined: 29 Jun 2005
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:24 am Post subject: |
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Picture Perfect
Joined: 29 Jun 2005
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:28 am Post subject: Also who is hotter, huh? huh? see I'm with the witches...... |
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Grotto

Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:47 am Post subject: |
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Try looking at the whole definition of witchcraft you blind religious fanatic you.
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Main Entry: witch��craft
Pronunciation: 'wich-"kraft
Function: noun
1 a : the use of sorcery or magic b : communication with the devil or with a familiar
2 : an irresistible influence or fascination
3 : WICCA
Main Entry: Wic��ca
Pronunciation: 'wi-k&
Function: noun
Etymology: probably from Old English wicca wizard -- more at WITCH
: a religion influenced by pre-Christian beliefs and practices of western Europe that affirms the existence of supernatural power (as magic) and of both male and female deities who inhere in nature, and that emphasizes ritual observance of seasonal and life cycles
- Wiccan /'wi-k&n/ adjective or noun
A proper religion that predates the disease that is christianity. |
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