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The Bobster
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1. The logo on my avatar reads "Real Men Like Peace," not "Real Men Prefer Peace. If you can't even get something as simple as that right, even while staring right at it, and after being told cleariy that it is a misquote then you are a truly hopeless case - and I'm still ata loss to figure out whether it is because you are terminally in need of clues or simply because you cannot find a way to say even one true thing, ever.
2. I looked just a bit and I can't find any new lies in your last post. Everything you said has already been countered, and you offer nothing new to support what you say. You are repeating yourself and I am, frankly, bored.
3. When did I make a joke about the VP dying? Oh, I remember now, I never did. I posted a link to a site that made a joke. And after doing so I said clearly that I did not wish him dead. Yet you will still lie, won't you?
4. You think it is not a lie to say that someone opposes the US but in reality only opposes the current political regime? Explain this, please. It was a lie, Joo, and you repeated it a couple of times even after your "Let me rephrase that" paragraph.
5. You displayed no quotes that show that I support the insurgents, or failed to condemn them, You quoted a paragraph far removed from its context, and linked it to thread that no longer exists so that the contexts cannot now be discovered.
6. You call yourself a patriotic American, and yet you have no shame about writing a sentence that begins, "I would fight for my country IF ..." Dude, I've never met a man who really loves his country who could bear to use a conditional clause and qualifiers in expressing such a notion. Your country is attcked, invaded, occupied, you don't sit around and weigh the pros and cons - you pick up a gun and start shooting the invaders down as well as you can. And you have the balls to cast insinuations and aspersions on MY patriotism, or ANYone else's?
7. I am not peaceful, and I never claimed to be. Where did you ever come up with such a notion, Joo? And why rely so heavily on it in this straw-man argument? I never called Cheney a bigot, and you sir, are a liar.
8. You are not a good American. You spend hours arguing in favor of the war, but I see no indication that you care enough to fight it yourself - and you have indicated that you would not pick up a gun to defend your own country against invading troops unless certain conditions were in place, and that otherwise you would collaborate and see what advantages might come of it. You support torture, the most un-American of all tactics used by this regime, and you defend Karl Rove for the malfeasance he committed that will make our intelligence community ever more crippled in the future. You think Guantanamo is a fine idea, and ignore the fact the govt is doing much the same to an American citizen named Padilla, meaning Gitmo could well be applied to the rest of us one of these days ...
The thing I really can't figure out is how our great nation spawned someone like you.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| 1. The logo on my avatar reads "Real Men Like Peace," not "Real Men Prefer Peace. If you can't even get something as simple as that right, even while staring right at it, and after being told clearing that it isd a misquote then you are a truly hopeless case - and I'm still ata loss to figure out whether it is because you are terminally in need of clues or simply because you cannot find a way to say even one true thing, ever. |
My point still stands.
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2. I looked just a bit and I can't find any new lies in your last post. Everything you said has already been countered, and you offer nothing new to support what you say. You are repeating yourself and I am, frankly, bored. |
Yawn.
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| 3. When did I make a joke about the VP dying? Oh, I remember now, I never did. I posted a link to a site that made a joke. |
The Joke was mean spirited and certainly not peaceful.
Castro is a Jerk.
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| 4. You think it is not a lie to say that someone opposes the US but in reality only opposes the current political regime? Explain this, please. It was a lie, Joo, and you repeated it a couple of time even after your "Let me rephrase that" paragraph. |
How can anyone be pro US if they are worried that the US is too powerful and that any strategic gains in Iraq are ill gotten gains that must be surendered.
How can they be pro US if they think the US war is illegitimate but the war of the insurgents ( unless they are fighting just for independence) is legitimate?
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| 5. You displayed no quotes that show that I support the insurgents, or failed to condemn them, You quoted a paragraph far removed from its context, and linked it to thread that no longer exists so that the contexts cannot now be discovered. |
The thread contained your words I can post it again if you would like.
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| 6. You call yourself a patriotic American, and yet you have no shame about writing a sentence that begins, "I would fight for my country IF ..." Dude, I've never met a man who really loves his country who could bear to use a conditional clause and qualifiers in expressing such a notion. Your country is attcked, invaded, occupied, you don't sit around and weigh the pros and cons - you pick up a gun and start shooting the invaders down as well as you can. And you have the balls to cast insinuations and asperrsions on MY patriotism, or ANYone else's? |
The insurgents are not fighting for their country.
would fight for my country if my government was legitimate, and if the invaders were really out to destroy my country and destroy my home and my family
But Saddam's government was not legitimate.
And US forces are not out to destroy Iraq , nor are they out to destroy the homes of Iraqis.
So your comparison is junk .
It is not legitimate to attack other ethnic groups?
It is not legitimate to try to stop elections cause your group can't win?
It is not legitimate to fight for the bathist geo political/ regional agenda?
Saddam persecuted his minorites - isn't it wrong to fight for such a regime and such a system?
It is not legitimate to go against the wishes of the legitimate Iraqi government which is not only more legitimate and representative than the previous Iraqi government but more legitimate and representative than most governments in the middle?
If the insurgents were fighting for their homes and families they would not do these things?
The insurgents are not fighting for their homes and families (as you try to spin it) , they are fighting to rule Iraq.
The insurgents ' war in not legitimate.
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NO you are not
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| . Where did you ever come up with such a notion, Joo? |
see above
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| And why rely so heavily on it in this straw-man argument? I never called Cheney a bigot, and you sir, are a liar. |
You said that when you saw bigotry you are not peaceful.
So I asked you for proof that Cheney was a bigot.
Did I say that you said that Cheney was a bigot?
This is what you said
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| And when did I say that I was peaceful man - are you reading too much into an avatar? Shows the smallness of your mind. When was I ever peaceful when you attacked me, Joo? Or when was I peaceful when I saw bigotry or hate (not he lame excuse for it you conjure up to attack your enemies, Joo, I mean real thing) and when did I claim to be an activist of any kind? |
and this was my answer
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| Cheney is a hate mongering bigot? Prove it since you seem to want him dead. You say bigotry and hate are an excuse for you not to be peaceful - well them prove Cheney is a hate mongering bigot. |
I asked you for proof that Cheney was a hate mongering bigot since you said that was the excuse for non peaceful posts.
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| 8. You are not a good American. You spend hours arguing in favor of the war, but I see no indication that you care enough to fight it yourself - |
Well Bob you don't know the whole story there .
Bob do you support the war in Afghanistan?
Yes or no?
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| and you have indicated that you would not pick up a gun to defend your own country against invading troops unless certain conditions were in place, |
fight for my country if my government was legitimate, and if the invaders were really out to destroy my country and destroy my home and my family
But Saddam's government was not legitimate.
And US forces are not out to destroy Iraq , nor are they out to destroy the homes of Iraqis.
So your comparison is junk .
It is not legitimate to attack other ethnic groups?
It is not legitimate to try to stop elections cause your group can't win?
It is not legitimate to fight for the bathist geo political/ regional agenda?
Saddam persecuted his minorites - isn't it wrong to fight for such a regime and such a system?
It is not legitimate to go against the wishes of the legitimate Iraqi government which is not only more legitimate and representative than the previous Iraqi government but more legitimate and representative than most governments in the middle?
If the insurgents were fighting for their homes and families they would not do these things?
The insurgents are not fighting for their homes and families (as you try to spin it) , they are fighting to rule Iraq.
The insurgents ' war in not legitimate.
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| and that otherwise you would collaborate and see what advantages might come of it. |
Where did I say that I would collaberate I see what advantages might come of it?
Why don't you show it?
Or are you lying again?
Show it. Can you show it or not?
70% of Iraq is collaberating. Are they traitors?
Besides the Bathist / insurgent agenda is both illegal and immoral.
The insurgents war - unless they are fighting for independence is not legitmate.
When are you going to show that they fighting for their homes?
Why would they need to attack other ethnic groups or oppose elections or fight against a govt far more representative than the last one and indeed in most mideast countires if they were fighting for their homes?
How is targeting other ethnic groups , trying to stop elections and trying to fight against a more representative government fighting for their homes?
Are you going to duck the question?
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| You support torture, the most un-American of all tactics used by this regime, |
First of all keeping Al qaida from sleeping.
Besides a win by the US means less torture.
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| and you defend Karl Rove for the malfeasance he committed that will make our intelligence community ever more crippled in the future |
You have any proof of that . That what Karl Rove crippled the intellegence communty .
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| You think Guantanamo is a fine idea, |
no just an ok and understandable one
What was a mideasterner doing in Afghanistan fighting for the Talban?
Should these guys be allowed to get away and commit more terror?
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| ]and ignore the fact the govt is doing much the same to an American citizen named Padilla, |
A creep who went to Afghanistan to train with the Taliban.
and a guy who wanted to set off bombs in the US.
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| meaning Gitmo could well be applied to the rest of us one of these days ... |
more likely that Al Qaida will blow up more things.
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| thing I really can't figure out is how our great nation spawned someone like you.[ |
Bob why do you think the US has no right to force mideast regimes and elites into not teaching hate , funding Al Qaida planning terror and inciting violence?
While you are all upset about Gitmo there was a bombing in London but of course you are in denial .
After all your drinking buddy thinks someone else blew up the WTC.  |
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The Bobster
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| Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| 1. The logo on my avatar reads "Real Men Like Peace," not "Real Men Prefer Peace. If you can't even get something as simple as that right, even while staring right at it, and after being told clearing that it isd a misquote then you are a truly hopeless case - and I'm still ata loss to figure out whether it is because you are terminally in need of clues or simply because you cannot find a way to say even one true thing, ever. |
My point still stands. |
At this point I'm wondering what your "point" is ... that you can't read? Or is the point that you will continue to lie the same old lies no matter what truth is set before you?
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2. I looked just a bit and I can't find any new lies in your last post. Everything you said has already been countered, and you offer nothing new to support what you say. You are repeating yourself and I am, frankly, bored. |
Yawn. |
Apparently we are both bored. You have nothing new to attack me with and I have already dismantled every one of your lies ... why do you continue to repeat them - oh, yeah, I remember now. Lies are all you got.
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| 3. When did I make a joke about the VP dying? Oh, I remember now, I never did. I posted a link to a site that made a joke. |
The Joke was mean spirited and certainly not peaceful. |
Answer the question, and cease relying on selective quotation and LIES.
WHEN did I make a joke about Cheney's death? When did I do it, Joo? You said that I make jokes about that, and if I didn't then it proves you are a liar several times. When did I make that joke? I posted a link to a website, nothing more.
Wow, like I'm soooo angry now ...
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| 4. You think it is not a lie to say that someone opposes the US but in reality only opposes the current political regime? Explain this, please. It was a lie, Joo, and you repeated it a couple of time even after your "Let me rephrase that" paragraph. |
How can anyone be pro US if they are worried (see the above link for the irrelvant nonsense, I'm not inclined to waste the space repeating his non seqauiteurs) |
Answer the question. Do you or don't you think it is a lie to equate opposition to the current political regime in Washington with opposing the United States of America as a whole? Answer that. You are a coward because you have avoided this once and you are a liar because you have asserted it several times, even after you backtracked from it.
Answer the question.
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| 5. You displayed no quotes that show that I support the insurgents, or failed to condemn them, You quoted a paragraph far removed from its context, and linked it to thread that no longer exists so that the contexts cannot now be discovered. |
The thread contained your words I can post it again if you would like. |
I'm happy with my words but the fact is they were part of a larger conversation and the context is gone ... and you are such a fool that you posted a link to a dead thread and you thought you could get away with it. Laughable.
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| 6. You call yourself a patriotic American, and yet you have no shame about writing a sentence that begins, "I would fight for my country IF ..." Dude, I've never met a man who really loves his country who could bear to use a conditional clause and qualifiers in expressing such a notion. Your country is attcked, invaded, occupied, you don't sit around and weigh the pros and cons - you pick up a gun and start shooting the invaders down as well as you can. And you have the balls to cast insinuations and asperrsions on MY patriotism, or ANYone else's? |
The insurgents are not fighting for their country. |
Nobody fricking CARES what your opinions are about the insurgents. The quote you gave us before - my words from going on two years ago, but I stgand by them - that post says that I can UNDERSTAND that people who see their homeland conquered and occuppied might want to fight back. You have said you would only do so if you thoiught the govt of the US that just got conquered was worthy.
Well, screw, that. If the invaders from The Scandinavian People's Republic who had just marched down Main Street of Santa Rosa, California, had just deposed the evil Fourth Reicv of President Jeb, (Bush III) I would thank them for their trouble but if they stayed a moment longer than I wanted, I would pick up that gun and drill any one of them between the eyes, especially if i could get away clean to do it again to another one the next day.
You, it seems would collaborate and look for advantage. But then, you are not a patriot, not in the least.
You want ot bring stuff out of long dead discussion thread, posts that no one has access to excep you, because no one else cares enough to same The Bobster's posts from two years ago ... you want to do that , look where it gets you - you must admit that you lie or you must admit that many of us you claim to hate would defend America far more readily than you would.
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| if the invaders were really out to destroy my country and destroy my home and my family |
Um, what if the invaders did not make the destruction of your family their goal, but just didn't give a crap if your mom or your uncle were in the wrong building next to where bogus intel told them an insurgent safehouse was? Would you just kind of make excuses, like you are doing now?
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| 7. I am not peaceful, |
NO you are not |
Then why do you embarass yourself by saying so? Don;t get me wrong, I love it when yoiu embarass yourself, just can't figure out why you go to such effort to do so.
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Gee, is it the same avatar that you misread "Prefer" in place of "Like?"
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| . Where did you ever come up with such a notion, Joo? |
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Sooo ... you want everyone who reads this to think you are exactly as shallow and stupid as to think that anything and everyhthing a person says here can be summed up by the image that goes next to their name - even whern you have displayed at least a couple of times that you are unable to read the words on it. Is it the shapes that sets your blood boiling, then? O r the color?
Are YOU the guy depicted on YOUR avatar?
I am not peaceful, andf you know it better than anyone. You were a liar to assert it here, and dumb to say that I attacked Cheney for bigotry when I never did. But then, you are a liar in most places where you open your mouth.
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| And why rely so heavily on it in this straw-man argument? I never called Cheney a bigot, and you sir, are a liar. |
You said that when you saw bigotry you are not peaceful.
So I asked you for proof that Cheney was a bigot.
Did I say that you said that Cheney was a bigot?
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And I never said that Cheney was a bigot. In fact, I never claimed that Cheney makes me angry, not here. One more tome, bigotry is only ONE thing that makes my blood boil, not the onloy thing. The topic of this thread wqas humor ... and your inability to get a joke, of course. I've been playing along with you on this thread so I can link to it in the future and show how sadly you are lacking in honesty and good judgment about what is funny - you have paid off a bonanza because now I can show people just the kind of lies that you are most interested in.
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| 8. You are not a good American. You spend hours arguing in favor of the war, but I see no indication that you care enough to fight it yourself - |
Well Bob you don't know the whole story there . |
I know more than I published here, and if you are truly the kind of man you present yourself as, you would be over there instead of behind a keyboard - you would find a way solmehow to get into uniform or you would take one of those lucrative "contactor" (i.e., mercenary) positions so that you could put your ass exactly where your mouth is all the time.
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Bob do you support the war in Afghanistan?
Yes or no? |
I have said many times that we needed to pursue bin Laden wherever he was instead of invading Baghdad, the one place we knew he wasn't. Now you can TRY to explain how much you love America even though you would not shoot a soldier walking down Main Street with intent to occupy and build bases for decades ... you can TRY to explain how you can love our country despite having said this.
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| and that otherwise you would collaborate and see what advantages might come of it. |
Where did I say that I would collaberate I see what advantages might come of it? |
You used the excample of the Kurds. The main diffence between the Kurds and you and I is that they never considered themselves part of the nation of Iraq, and the nation of Iraq felt the same about them, so it's logical they would help the US. YOU have no such excuse, though - you will not pick up a gun even if you can get away clean to do it again toimorrow, and this choice naturally entails that you will help the invaders, not only refusing to fight when you have an opportunity, but also by rermaining silent about it all.
And you claim that you are a better American than others, after confessing that kind of cowardice right here in front of us all. You do not love your country, Joo. You make those of us who do laugh with scorn at you.
I've given you more of my time than you deserve, and again, without myself and Nowhere Man, no one would ever talk to you at all. You need to to apologize for your lies, and say thank you to those of us you give you a few minutes of the day. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| At this point I'm wondering what your "point" is ... that you can't read? Or is the point that you will continue to lie the same old lies no matter what truth is set before you? |
Fact is you are a fake peace advocate and fake peace activist and just a fake.
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Apparently we are both bored. You have nothing new to attack me with and I have already dismantled every one of your lies ... why do you continue to repeat them - oh, yeah, I remember now. Lies are all you got. |
Bob you are the king of lies , and bribes too.
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Answer the question, and cease relying on selective quotation and LIES.
WHEN did I make a joke about Cheney's death? When did I do it, Joo? You said that I make jokes about that, and if I didn't then it proves you are a liar several times. When did I make that joke? I posted a link to a website, nothing more. |
This whole thread was you making a post about how it is funny to make a joke about the joke of the VP .
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| Wow, like I'm soooo angry now ... |
I think you are.
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| Answer the question. Do you or don't you think it is a lie to equate opposition to the current political regime in Washington with opposing the United States of America as a whole? Answer that. You are a coward because you have avoided this once and you are a liar because you have asserted it several times, even after you backtracked from it. |
The fact is that oppostion to Bush is not anti US. That you like or hate Bush is irrelevent. However I don't see how anyone can be worried that the US is too powerful and think that any strategic gains in Iraq are ill gotten gains that must be surrendered are pro US.
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Done many times
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| I'm happy with my words but the fact is they were part of a larger conversation and the context is gone ... and you are such a fool that you posted a link to a dead thread and you thought you could get away with it. Laughable. |
Your words are not out of context they show your position.
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| 6. You call yourself a patriotic American, and yet you have no shame about writing a sentence that begins, "I would fight for my country IF ..." Dude, I've never met a man who really loves his country who could bear to use a conditional clause and qualifiers in expressing such a notion. Your country is attcked, invaded, occupied, you don't sit around and weigh the pros and cons - you pick up a gun and start shooting the invaders down as well as you can. And you have the balls to cast insinuations and asperrsions on MY patriotism, or ANYone else's? |
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Why the Kurds and the Shias have decided not to.
70-80% of Iraq made that decision..
You sound just like your Bathist blogger.
Watch Bob duck the questions again.
Futhermore would it have been right for the Japanese to fight against an American invasion during WW II?
Besides the Iraqi government has given US forces to permission to stay.
US forces are no longer invading , they are putting down an insurgency.
The insurgents are not fighting for their country.
How is stopping elections fighting for their country?
How is targeting other ethnic groups fighting for their country?
How is fighting for Bathists strategic agenda fighting for their country?
How is fighting against a far more representative govt fighting for their country?
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Nobody fricking CARES what your opinions are about the insurgents. The quote you gave us before - my words from going on two years ago, but I stgand by them - that post says that I can UNDERSTAND that people who see their homeland conquered and occuppied might want to fight back. You have said you would only do so if you thoiught the govt of the US that just got conquered was worthy. |
Your quote was from less than a year ago.
But anyway how could they be fighting for their homeland when they try to stop elections and target other ethnic groups now?
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| Well, screw, that. If the invaders from The Scandinavian People's Republic who had just marched down Main Street of Santa Rosa, California, had just deposed the evil Fourth Reicv of President Jeb, (Bush III) I would thank them for their trouble but if they stayed a moment longer than I wanted, I would pick up that gun and drill any one of them between the eyes, especially if i could get away clean to do it again to another one the next day. |
Right Bob compares Bush to the Nazis.
We have elections and a legitmate government in this country, In Iraq there were neither.
Besides you say you would thank people who invaded the US to get rid of Bush. Interesting.
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| You, it seems would collaborate and look for advantage. But then, you are not a patriot, not in the least. |
How does it seem that.
Anyway just cause you say stuff doesn't mean much.
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| You want ot bring stuff out of long dead discussion thread, posts that no one has access to excep you, because no one else cares enough to same The Bobster's posts from two years ago ... you want to do that , look where it gets you - you must admit that you lie or you must admit that many of us you claim to hate would defend America far more readily than you would. |
well it shows what kind advoctae U are.
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Um, what if the invaders did not make the destruction of your family their goal, but just didn't give a crap if your mom or your uncle were in the wrong building next to where bogus intel told them an insurgent safehouse was? Would you just kind of make excuses, like you are doing now? |
actauly the US does care. Yes I would do just as the Kurds and Shias and 80% of Iraq. 80% of Iraq made the decision not to fight. A far more legit Iraqi goverment gives permission.
Obviously if 80% of the country has decided not to fight there must be good reasons.
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| Then why do you embarass yourself by saying so? Don;t get me wrong, I love it when yoiu embarass yourself, just can't figure out why you go to such effort to do so. |
It is your avatar
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| Gee, is it the same avatar that you misread "Prefer" in place of "Like?" |
close enough.
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| Sooo ... you want everyone who reads this to think you are exactly as shallow and stupid as to think that anything and everyhthing a person says here can be summed up by the image that goes next to their name - even whern you have displayed at least a couple of times that you are unable to read the words on it. Is it the shapes that sets your blood boiling, then? O r the color? |
Your avatar seems to advocate a particular position.
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| Are YOU the guy depicted on YOUR avatar? |
In someways.
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| I am not peaceful, andf you know it better than anyone. You were a liar to assert it here, and dumb to say that I attacked Cheney for bigotry when I never did. But then, you are a liar in most places where you open your mouth. |
Not you are not peaceful.
Your avatar says something about peace.
There were no lies.
I did not say you attacked Cheney for bigotry. I said that you said bigotry is an excuse for you not to peaceful.
Your post was not peaceful.
So what was your excuse.
You said that bigotry was an excuse .
So I asked for for evidence that Cheny was a bigot.
If you want to to see lies U should look in the mirror. You lie and misquote more than anyone else on this board.
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| And I never said that Cheney was a bigot. In fact, I never claimed that Cheney makes me angry, not here. One more tome, bigotry is only ONE thing that makes my blood boil, not the onloy thing. The topic of this thread wqas humor ... and your inability to get a joke, of course. I've been playing along with you on this thread so I can link to it in the future and show how sadly you are lacking in honesty and good judgment about what is funny - you have paid off a bonanza because now I can show people just the kind of lies that you are most interested in. |
It was a sick thread about the death of the VP by a guy with a peace avatar who gets upset when someone calls Casto a Jerk.
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| I know more than I published here, and if you are truly the kind of man you present yourself as, you would be over there instead of behind a keyboard - you would find a way solmehow to get into uniform or you would take one of those lucrative "contactor" (i.e., mercenary) positions so that you could put your ass exactly where your mouth is all the time. |
You will see below.
[quote]Bob do you support the war in Afghanistan?
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I have said many times that we needed to pursue bin Laden wherever he was instead of invading Baghdad, the one place we knew he wasn't. Now you can TRY to explain how much you love America even though you would not shoot a soldier walking down Main Street with intent to occupy and build bases for decades ... you can TRY to explain how you can love our country despite having said this. |
but you aren't in Afghanistan. Didn't you imply that if you support a war then you should be fighting directly? then wouldn't that imply that U should be there?
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| You used the excample of the Kurds. The main diffence between the Kurds and you and I is that they never considered themselves part of the nation of Iraq, and the nation of Iraq felt the same about them, so it's logical they would help the US. YOU have no such excuse, though - you will not pick up a gun even if you can get away clean to do it again toimorrow, and this choice naturally entails that you will help the invaders, not only refusing to fight when you have an opportunity, but also by rermaining silent about it all. |
Oh the Kurds are colloborators? How very Bathist of you.
70-80% of Iraq has decided not to fight. Therefore there are real good reasons not to.
The insurgents are not fighting for their country.
How is stopping elections fighting for their country?
How is targeting other ethnic groups fighting for their country?
How is fighting for Bathists strategic agenda fighting for their country?
How is fighting against a far more representative govt fighting for their country?
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| And you claim that you are a better American than others, after confessing that kind of cowardice right here in front of us all. You do not love your country, Joo. You make those of us who do laugh with scorn at you. |
Right Bob of course you think the Bush is sort of like the Nazis and you would welcome a foreign invasion to remove him from power.
We have elections and a legitmate government in this country, In Iraq there were neither.
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| I've given you more of my time than you deserve, and again, without myself and Nowhere Man, no one would ever talk to you at all. You need to to apologize for your lies, and say thank you to those of us you give you a few minutes of the day. |
There were no lies if you want to see lies you should look in the mirror. U do it more than anyone else.
Now maybe you can cut a deal w/ another poster and ask for help. |
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| This whole thread was you making a post about how it is funny to make a joke about the joke of the VP. |
Duh. The joke is about the website, I never said anything bad here about Cheney, nothing that indicated a desire for his death. Nevertherless, you have said this. That is one of the lies I have pointed out.
I asked you to point out specific words I said that constituted a joke about the death of the VP. You have not done so, and we can assume that it's because I never did it. My statement in the OP made it very clear I did not desire any such thing. You have no evidence, yet you continue to lie. That's how dedicated you are.
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| Answer the question. Do you or don't you think it is a lie to equate opposition to the current political regime in Washington with opposing the United States of America as a whole? Answer that. You are a coward because you have avoided this once and you are a liar because you have asserted it several times, even after you backtracked from it. |
The fact is that oppostion to Bush is not anti US. That you like or hate Bush is irrelevent. However I don't see how anyone can be worried that the US is too powerful and think that any strategic gains in Iraq are ill gotten gains that must be surrendered are pro US. |
It's all very interesting, but it contradicts what you said before, which was that I opposed the US, meaning the nation that we both call America. You are agreeing with me, that your earlier statements were lies. Now, you need to apologize for creating and promoting those lies.
The fact that you cannot see why or understand why I think giving greater power to Geo W Bush is bad for my country is not enough to justify why you said several times - and a few times more after backtracking from it - that I am in opposition to the country I hail from and love more than any other.
And you need to apologize for this lie , Joo.
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Done many times |
I guess I was hoping for something that would make you look better. You have presented a quote of my words and are unable to provide the cotext - nevertheless, I have agreed that I wrote them and have no problem about what I said. You wish to show that my words display me as a supporter of the insurgency, yet nothing of the kind id in evidence there.
Despite this, when I ask you directly if you would pick up a gun to defend the land which we both claim to love (I know that I truly do, yet lately I have doubts about you), the gist of what I read from you here says : "It would depend ..."
And that is a sad thing to hear from the mouth of anyone who hails from my country.
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| Your words are not out of context they show your position. |
Well, we don't really know that, since you are unable to provide that context. You have no problems, it seems with presenting a bunch of words that don't show what you claim they do and asserting they indicate something different from what is there. And then you want to assertt that the context is consistent, despite all the falshoods I have already you fo committing on thread. It's not working.
Just more lies.
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| Watch Bob duck the questions again. |
I don't think I have ducked any questions here, and perhaps it is lack of ability be sufficiently articulate, but I didn't notice a question this time ... what's up with this?
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| Futhermore would it have been right for the Japanese to fight against an American invasion during WW II? |
You are comparing Japan to Iraq, and I think you did it before. I pointed out that Iraq never attacked the US, though Japan, of course, did. I think that was the post I ended by calling "Game, set and match." You lost that one, yet you still throw it back on the fireld of battle as if it were a weapon of coice.
Seems like the comparison is pretty dishonest. Can you explain why it is pertinent?
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| Nobody fricking CARES what your opinions are about the insurgents. The quote you gave us before - my words from going on two years ago, but I stgand by them - that post says that I can UNDERSTAND that people who see their homeland conquered and occuppied might want to fight back. You have said you would only do so if you thoiught the govt of the US that just got conquered was worthy. |
Your quote was from less than a year ago. |
And yet, no one knows this except you, because you posted a link to a thread that has been deleted God knows how lonbg ago - and you didn't even bother to check before postging it
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| Right Bob compares Bush to the Nazis. |
I don't think I really did that, but if I had, so what? It was a hypothetical speculation, and yet the present trends tend to point that way ... Bush II has turned out to be MUCH worse on human rights anc civilk liberties than his father, so no great leap to suppose an imaginary NEXT one would not be even worse - I mean jeeze, just LOOK at Florida.
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| Besides you say you would thank people who invaded the US to get rid of Bush. Interesting. |
Is that really what I said, Joo? Really? And after all the lies you have perpetrated here on this thread, how in the world could any serious mind trust yoiu with a paraphrase of what someone else had said? Still waiting for you to shoiw where I said Cheney is a bigot.
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| You, it seems would collaborate and look for advantage. But then, you are not a patriot, not in the least. |
How does it seem that. |
Um, well, because a true patriot does not collaborate with an occupying force - you cite the Kurds as a popsitive role model for any American citizens experiencing invasion from an occupying army - and, Joo, a true patriot would not hesitate to pick up a gun if he could get away clean. You have said you would behave in this way.
I've taklked tgo guys in Itaewon bars who have been in Iraq. We're having beers and I throw this at them - would you oppose an invading army whio is occupying with intent to stay for decades? They are more honest than you are. These guys tell me : "They do what they gotta do and I do what I gotta do."
You are less than these people, Joo. Far less. You either lie - and often - or you are less than anyone who really does love their country. Far less.
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| There were no lies. |
There is not much you have said here that is not a lie, Joo.
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| I did not say you attacked Cheney for bigotry. |
You played the little game that law professors refer to as "WHEN did you stop beating your wife?" You did it by asking me to give evidence for something I never said, which was your implied claim that Cheney is a bigot. Why would you ask me to provide evidence for something you now admit I never did say?
It is your dishonest nature. It is more lies.
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| I have said many times that we needed to pursue bin Laden wherever he was instead of invading Baghdad, the one place we knew he wasn't. Now you can TRY to explain how much you love America even though you would not shoot a soldier walking down Main Street with intent to occupy and build bases for decades ... you can TRY to explain how you can love our country despite having said this. |
but you aren't in Afghanistan. Didn't you imply that if you support a war then you should be fighting directly? then wouldn't that imply that U should be there? |
You have seen my picture so you know that I am far past the age where any military service in the world would accept me in their ranks. Show us your picture and allow us all to make the same call in your case ... or not.
Still curious. Why aren't over in Iraq, joo?
I've already given you the alloted 20 minutes out of my evening. That is all you get. |
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| Duh. The joke is about the website, I never said anything bad here about Cheney, nothing that indicated a desire for his death. Nevertherless, you have said this. That is one of the lies I have pointed out. |
the fact is it was a sick joke by put by a fake peace advocate who gets mad when someone calls Castro a Jerk.
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| I asked you to point out specific words I said that constituted a joke about the death of the VP. You have not done so, and we can assume that it's because I never did it. My statement in the OP made it very clear I did not desire any such thing. You have no evidence, yet you continue to lie. That's how dedicated you are. |
You put of up the joke " is he dead yet."
You bribe posters and you lie.
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| It's all very interesting, but it contradicts what you said before, which was that I opposed the US, meaning the nation that we both call America. You are agreeing with me, that your earlier statements were lies. Now, you need to apologize for creating and promoting those lies. |
Where did I say being anti Bush is the same as anti US?
But you can't be pro US and worry that the US is too powerful and that any strategic gains in Iraq are ill gotten and must be returned.
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| The fact that you cannot see why or understand why I think giving greater power to Geo W Bush is bad for my country is not enough to justify why you said several times - and a few times more after backtracking from it - that I am in opposition to the country I hail from and love more than any other. |
but it is also giving the US power that would be used to force mideast regimes and elites to give up their war?
Bush was never in the original conversation. Why are you putting him in?
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No you need to apologize for this and all your other lies and misquotes and attempted bribes Bob.
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| I guess I was hoping for something that would make you look better. You have presented a quote of my words and are unable to provide the cotext - nevertheless, I have agreed that I wrote them and have no problem about what I said. You wish to show that my words display me as a supporter of the insurgency, yet nothing of the kind id in evidence there |
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No you are not against the insurgents war but you are against the US war.
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| Despite this, when I ask you directly if you would pick up a gun to defend the land which we both claim to love (I know that I truly do, yet lately I have doubts about you), the gist of what I read from you here says : "It would depend ..." |
That was the answer 70% of Iraqis have given by their actions.
They are not traitors.
By you standard anyone who did not fight against the allies when they occupied the axis nations would have been a traitor.
Indeed South Koreans must also be traitors since they are not fighting against the occupiers .That is the same argument that North Korea makes it is the same arguementsthat your Bathist riverbend makes . It is nonsense.
You are not only a moonbat your are also a bathists apologist.
fight for my country if my government was legitimate, and if the invaders were really out to destroy my country and destroy my home and my family
But Saddam's government was not legitimate.
And US forces are not out to destroy Iraq , nor are they out to destroy the homes of Iraqis.
So your comparison is junk .
It is not legitimate to attack other ethnic groups?
It is not legitimate to try to stop elections cause your group can't win?
It is not legitimate to fight for the bathist geo political/ regional agenda?
Saddam persecuted his minorites - isn't it wrong to fight for such a regime and such a system?
It is not legitimate to go against the wishes of the legitimate Iraqi government which is not only more legitimate and representative than the previous Iraqi government but more legitimate and representative than most governments in the middle?
If the insurgents were fighting for their homes and families they would not do these things?
The insurgents are not fighting for their homes and families (as you try to spin it) , they are fighting to rule Iraq.
The insurgents ' war in not legitimate.
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even worse is hearing the nonsense of a Bathist apologist.
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| Well, we don't really know that, since you are unable to provide that context. You have no problems, it seems with presenting a bunch of words that don't show what you claim they do and asserting they indicate something different from what is there. And then you want to assertt that the context is consistent, despite all the falshoods I have already you fo committing on thread. It's not working. |
There is enough there to show your postition . and just before you said something like you were happy with those words.
From the Bobster.
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| I don't think I have ducked any questions here, and perhaps it is lack of ability be sufficiently articulate, but I didn't notice a question this time ... what's up with this? |
How about this?
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When are you going to show that they fighting for their homes?
Why would they need to attack other ethnic groups or oppose elections or fight against a govt far more representative than the last one and indeed in most mideast countires if they were fighting for their homes? "
"How is targeting other ethnic groups , trying to stop elections and trying to fight against a more representative government fighting for their homes? "
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| You are comparing Japan to Iraq, and I think you did it before. I pointed out that Iraq never attacked the US, though Japan, of course, did. I think that was the post I ended by calling "Game, set and match." You lost that one, yet you still throw it back on the fireld of battle as if it were a weapon of coice. |
Yeah then what about this?
Saddam shot as US planes , he supported terror. He tried to kill a US president.
Those were all illegitimate acts. Based on those acts alone the US had a right to take down Saddam .
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| Moore asserts that Iraq under Saddam had never attacked or killed or even threatened (his words) any American. I never quite know whether Moore is as ignorant as he looks, or even if that would be humanly possible. Baghdad was for years the official, undisguised home address of Abu Nidal, then the most-wanted gangster in the world, who had been sentenced to death even by the PLO and had blown up airports in Vienna* and Rome. Baghdad was the safe house for the man whose "operation" murdered Leon Klinghoffer. Saddam boasted publicly of his financial sponsorship of suicide bombers in Israel. (Quite a few Americans of all denominations walk the streets of Jerusalem.) In 1991, a large number of Western hostages were taken by the hideous Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and held in terrible conditions for a long time. After that same invasion was repelled—Saddam having killed quite a few Americans and Egyptians and Syrians and Brits in the meantime and having threatened to kill many more—the Iraqi secret police were caught trying to murder former President Bush during his visit to Kuwait. Never mind whether his son should take that personally. (Though why should he not?) Should you and I not resent any foreign dictatorship that attempts to kill one of our retired chief executives? (President Clinton certainly took it that way: He ordered the destruction by cruise missiles of the Baathist "security" headquarters.) Iraqi forces fired, every day, for 10 years, on the aircraft that patrolled the no-fly zones and staved off further genocide in the north and south of the country. In 1993, a certain Mr. Yasin helped mix the chemicals for the bomb at the World Trade Center and then skipped to Iraq, where he remained a guest of the state until the overthrow of Saddam. In 2001, Saddam's regime was the only one in the region that openly celebrated the attacks on New York and Washington and described them as just the beginning of a larger revenge. Its official media regularly spewed out a stream of anti-Semitic incitement. I think one might describe that as "threatening," even if one was narrow enough to think that anti-Semitism only menaces Jews. And it was after, and not before, the 9/11 attacks that Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi moved from Afghanistan to Baghdad and began to plan his now very open and lethal design for a holy and ethnic civil war. On Dec. 1, 2003, the New York Times reported—and the David Kay report had established—that Saddam had been secretly negotiating with the "Dear Leader" Kim Jong-il in a series of secret meetings in Syria, as late as the spring of 2003, to buy a North Korean missile system, and missile-production system, right off the shelf. (This attempt was not uncovered until after the fall of Baghdad, the coalition's presence having meanwhile put an end to the negotiations.) |
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He also continued to threaten US interests by theatening Kuwait and other US allies in the region.
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http://www.travelbrochuregraphics.com/extra/a_last_chance_to_stop_iraq.htm
Based on that the US would have had a right to take down his regime.
Based on the fact that Saddam was in violation of the ceasefire the US would have had the right to take down his regime.
Finalally Saddam taught hate and incited violence and was part of the problem in the mideast .
Based on that the US had the right to take down his regime.
AFter 9-11 the US was not going to let mideast regimes play with matches anymore.
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He shot at US planes and tried to kill a US president and supported terror . He did attack the US.
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| And yet, no one knows this except you, because you posted a link to a thread that has been deleted God knows how lonbg ago - and you didn't even bother to check before postging it |
No it was from Nov of last year and I used it several times to show that you think the US war is illegitmate but you refuse to condemn the insurgents war.
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| I don't think I really did that, but if I had, so what? It was a hypothetical speculation, and yet the present trends tend to point that way ... Bush II has turned out to be MUCH worse on human rights anc civilk liberties than his father, so no great leap to suppose an imaginary NEXT one would not be even worse - I mean jeeze, just LOOK at Florida. |
Yeah and what about FLA?
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| Is that really what I said, Joo? Really? And after all the lies you have perpetrated here on this thread, how in the world could any serious mind trust yoiu with a paraphrase of what someone else had said? Still waiting for you to shoiw where I said Cheney is a bigot. |
You said that bigotry was an excuse for U not being peaceful.
So I asked you to show that Cheney was a bigot/
Where did I say that you called Cheny a bigot?
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| Um, well, because a true patriot does not collaborate with an occupying force - you cite the Kurds as a popsitive role model for any American citizens experiencing invasion from an occupying army - and, Joo, a true patriot would not hesitate to pick up a gun if he could get away clean. You have said you would behave in this way. |
all the Iraqis who are not fighting against the US are not patriots
You sound like Riverbend she echos the Bathist line , so do you.
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| You are less than these people, Joo. Far less. You either lie - and often - or you are less than anyone who really does love their country. Far less. |
LIke you got made when someone said something bad about Castro and said he is a better man than you Joo. By the way by your comparison does that mean that Pol Pot was a better man than you Bob?
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| There is not much you have said here that is not a lie, Joo. |
Here is something that isn't a lie -
Bobster is a liar and he bribes posters.
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| You played the little game that law professors refer to as "WHEN did you stop beating your wife?" You did it by asking me to give evidence for something I never said, which was your implied claim that Cheney is a bigot. Why would you ask me to provide evidence for something you now admit I never did say? |
No you said that bigotry was an excuse for you not to be peaceful so I asked you how Cheney was a bigot since your post was not peaceful.
Glad U admit your lie- sort of.
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| It is your dishonest nature. It is more lies. |
says the king of slander and hypocricy.
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| You have seen my picture so you know that I am far past the age where any military service in the world would accept me in their ranks. Show us your picture and allow us all to make the same call in your case ... or not |
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| I've already given you the alloted 20 minutes out of my evening. That is all you get. |
I think you spent more time than you admit to. |
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| Duh. The joke is about the website, I never said anything bad here about Cheney, nothing that indicated a desire for his death. Nevertherless, you have said this. That is one of the lies I have pointed out. |
the fact is it was a sick joke by put by a fake peace advocate who gets mad when someone calls Castro a Jerk. |
You are at last conceding that it was a joke. You have said several times that it is my sincere desire despite what I had siad in the OP. That means you were lying when you said that I wanted Cheney dead, and I'm ready to accept your apology for that lie as soon as you offer it, along with the others you have promoted here.
I will not be any richer when you admit your lies, Joo, because I have been very aware of them for a while now. However, you will be better off. Take a look at how things are and how you have made them, and then decide for yourself the right thing to do.
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| It's all very interesting, but it contradicts what you said before, which was that I opposed the US, meaning the nation that we both call America. You are agreeing with me, that your earlier statements were lies. Now, you need to apologize for creating and promoting those lies. |
Where did I say being anti Bush is the same as anti US? |
Well, several times in this thread you claimed that I "oppose the US " and evreything thing you gave us to support that had to do with opposing the current US president. I have never opposed the US, although everything I say in opposition to Bush is in support of my country. Anyone can read back in this thread and see the many times you said I oppose the US when in fact I oppose Bush and his war.
My question at the moment, after reading your recent query : Are you high? Just can't think of any other explanation for the absence of logic here.
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| But you can't be pro US and worry that the US is too powerful and that any strategic gains in Iraq are ill gotten and must be returned. |
Sure, I can. And entirely due to the abuses of power displayed by Geo Bush and his henchmen. Giving them ability to do more harm would be lousy for my country, and anyone with half a brain can see that
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| The fact that you cannot see why or understand why I think giving greater power to Geo W Bush is bad for my country is not enough to justify why you said several times - and a few times more after backtracking from it - that I am in opposition to the country I hail from and love more than any other. |
but it is also giving the US power that would be used to force mideast regimes and elites to give up their war? |
I haven't noticed it yet, what you say about forcing mideast regimes to give up, well, anything at all. Invading Iraq did not stop the monsters in Madrid, nor the more heinous ones who took over that school in Chechnya a few months ago.
What I see in London are that the guys they are arresting seem to come from Pakistan, and last I looked, Musharraf is on our side with all of this ... so, if we can't even count on an "ally" like that to "stop the teaching of hate," as you say, then how in thew world can any of us has even the slighhterst bit of confidence in what (you say) the real goals here are?
The neocons have reather larger goals than what you claim. They want to control a vital recource that is fast becoming in scarce supply. I doubt they can, but that is what they want. And they are willing to destroy our country in order to get what they want. (The destruction of America is exactly what is happening, you know. OLr, did you notce?)
And the value of this resource means thsat the US has been in undeclared war with dozens of countries in that region for decades - and THAT is what has led to the growth of terror as a weapon against us.
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| Bush was never in the original conversation. Why are you putting him in? |
Huh? You told me and everyone that I want the US to be less powerful - you know very well that it is Bush I want to be less powerful, yet you assert otherwise You want to be able to lie and have no one spoeak the truth in response? Dream on.
Once again, I find nothing more in your post worthy of my interest - there might actually be some new lies in there somewhere, but I'm not inclined to do the work to find and refute them all - you're just clipboarding crap from long-ago posts, anyway, so who would care? |
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| You are at last conceding that it was a joke. You have said several times that it is my sincere desire despite what I had siad in the OP. That means you were lying when you said that I wanted Cheney dead, and I'm ready to accept your apology for that lie as soon as you offer it, along with the others you have promoted here. |
fact is you think it is funny to joke about the death of the VP . Not peaceful.
YOu will never get any apology Mr real men luv peace.
Castro is still Jerk.
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| I will not be any richer when you admit your lies, Joo, because I have been very aware of them for a while now. However, you will be better off. Take a look at how things are and how you have made them, and then decide for yourself the right thing to do. |
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| Well, several times in this thread you claimed that I "oppose the US " and evreything thing you gave us to support that had to do with opposing the current US president. I have never opposed the US, although everything I say in opposition to Bush is in support of my country. Anyone can read back in this thread and see the many times you said I oppose the US when in fact I oppose Bush and his war. |
where did I say you oppose the US? Bring it to my attention.
However you refuse to condemn the insurgents but you condemn the US for its actions.
Besides you are worreid that the US is too powerful and you think that any strategic gains in Iraq are ill gotten gains that must be returned.
How can you be pro US when you fell that way?
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| question at the moment, after reading your recent query : Are you high? Just can't think of any other explanation for the absence of logic here. |
You are the expert on mind altering substances.
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| Sure, I can. And entirely due to the abuses of power displayed by Geo Bush and his henchmen. Giving them ability to do more harm would be lousy for my country, and anyone with half a brain can see that |
How can being worried tha the US is too powerful and that strategic gains in Iraq are ill gotten and much be surrendered make you pro US?
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| I haven't noticed it yet, what you say about forcing mideast regimes to give up, well, anything at all. Invading Iraq did not stop the monsters in Madrid, nor the more heinous ones who took over that school in Chechnya a few months ago. |
But why do you think the US has no right to make mideast regimes stop funding Al Qadia, teaching hate , planning terror , and inciting violence?
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| What I see in London are that the guys they are arresting seem to come from Pakistan, and last I looked, Musharraf is on our side with all of this ... so, if we can't even count on an "ally" like that to "stop the teaching of hate," as you say, then how in thew world can any of us has even the slighhterst bit of confidence in what (you say) the real goals here are? |
Why would you think the US has no right to do that?
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Well an a source not to friendly to Bush would disagree w/ you .
If you have what it takes to refute it you are welecome to.
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Is this a war for oil?
One argument against the war, presented by those on the left who question Bush's motives, is that it is intended to capture Iraq's petroleum resources. While there is no way to assess to what extent these resources are a strategic factor in Bush's calculations, those who assert a simple link between oil and the war almost always fail to deal with a number of inconvenient facts. First, if the US wanted its oil companies to have access to the Iraqi market, it could have simply pressed the United Nations to drop sanctions against Iraq. Also, oil is a commodity whose price is set on the world market, as Peter Ferrara points out on National Review Online. Since Iraq has been allowed to sell oil in order to purchase food and other key commodities, it is already contributing to the world supply of oil and thereby lowering the price Americans pay. Finally, as energy expert Daniel Yergin argues, Iraq has only three percent of world production capacity, and to double that "could take more than a decade. In the meantime, growth elsewhere would limit Iraq's eventual share to perhaps 5 percent, significant but still in the second tier of oil nations." |
http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20030320.html
As I said U are welcome to refute it, but you probably won't be able to .
Anyway Neo cons are no friends of the oil industry - see the IAGS .
And many oil execs opposed the war anyway.
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That is sort of true but not the way I think you are trying to present it.
The US has been concerned w/ Iranian and Iraqi control of the Persian gulf - not so the US can control it but to make sure they can't.
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| Huh? You told me and everyone that I want the US to be less powerful - you know very well that it is Bush I want to be less powerful, yet you assert otherwise You want to be able to lie and have no one spoeak the truth in response? Dream on. |
Again you are the one not being truthful here/
Bush was never part of that conversation. It was about you being worried that the US was too powerful and that any strategic gains in Iraq are ill gotten gains that must be returned.
Bush was never in that conversation.
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| Once again, I find nothing more in your post worthy of my interest - there might actually be some new lies in there somewhere, but I'm not inclined to do the work to find and refute them all - you're just clipboarding crap from long-ago posts, anyway, so who would care? |
No lies , in this thread except what the ones you told that I responded to.
I put up your words. And you are the Bobster and your opinion is that of the Bobster which is all that is worth which isn't much. |
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The Bobster
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| Well, several times in this thread you claimed that I "oppose the US " and evreything thing you gave us to support that had to do with opposing the current US president. I have never opposed the US, although everything I say in opposition to Bush is in support of my country. Anyone can read back in this thread and see the many times you said I oppose the US when in fact I oppose Bush and his war. |
where did I say you oppose the US? Bring it to my attention. |
[Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:06 am] Joo Rhipp Gwa Rhee said :
"The fact is that you "real mean prefer peace" condemn the UIS"
A little while later, [Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:47 am] Joo backtracks with "well let me correct that you condemned the US war"
A VERY short time later [Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:09 pm] "A uh no just that you condemn the US for its actions"
Which I think qualifies as backtracking on a backtrack, not often seen around here, maybe a milestone on Dave's considering how fast he managed it ... but then you said the same thing several times again, didn't you Joo - and now you claim you never said it?
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
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That is sort of true but not the way I think you are trying to present it.
The US has been concerned w/ Iranian and Iraqi control of the Persian gulf - not so the US can control it but to make sure they can't. |
Nice try, but just one more lie.
You try to draw a fine line with the words "has been" but the present intention to establish long-term military bases in Iraq means the US is now trying to control a vital resource that will become more vital to the whole in the coming years.
You are aware of it. You say otherwise. You are a liar. |
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Hyalucent
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*shoulder tap*
Has any one noticed that they changed the website in the OP? |
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The Bobster
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Has any one noticed that they changed the website in the OP? |
Good call.
Actally, I didn't notice, but you pointing it out is the best possible punchline I could have hoped for - for a thread that has to to be the most most humorous among all the Bob/Joo feud threads.
The sad sick puppy committed so many ludicrouous crimes against logic that I hope this thread can stay as it is so I can link to it in the future and say, "See, what lies that leukemic pomeranian is capable of?"
He spends pages asking me for evidence that Mr Cheney is a bigot, and after asking for a week and a half where I ever said this, he responds with "Where did I say that you called Cheny a bigot "
And he has asserted several times here that I*ppose the US ... well, I've settle that already, so we can see that it is just more lies. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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Fact is you condemn the US for its actions but you refuse to condem the war of the insurgents.
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If the US was there to control the oil then the US would be wrong . If the US is there to force regimes and the elites in that area of the world to stop teaching hate , funding Al Qaida , inciting violence , and planning terror then the US is right. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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Has any one noticed that they changed the website in the OP? |
Good call.
Actally, I didn't notice, but you pointing it out is the best possible punchline I could have hoped for - for a thread that has to to be the most most humorous among all the Bob/Joo feud threads.
The sad sick puppy committed so many ludicrouous crimes against logic that I hope this thread can stay as it is so I can link to it in the future and say, "See, what lies that leukemic pomeranian is capable of?"
He spends pages asking me for evidence that Mr Cheney is a bigot, and after asking for a week and a half where I ever said this, he responds with "Where did I say that you called Cheny a bigot "
And he has asserted several times here that I*ppose the US ... well, I've settle that already, so we can see that it is just more lies. |
this coming from the bobster who misquotes people and bribes posters
I did not say you attacked Cheney for bigotry. I said that you said bigotry is an excuse for you not to peaceful.
Your post was not peaceful.
So what was your excuse.
You said that bigotry was an excuse .
So I asked for for evidence that Cheny was a bigot. |
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