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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:25 am    Post subject: UNDERGROUND TRANSIT Reply with quote

I was reading Dose today ( www.dose.ca ) and came across the following stats:

Largest Underground railways by passenger volume:

Moscow 3.3 Billion
Tokyo 2.6 B
Seoul 2.2 B
Mexico 1.4 B
NYC 1.4 B
Paris 1.2 B
London 970 M
Osaka 957 M
St. Petersburg 821 M
HK 786 M

I have no comment except that I found them interesting and thought someone else might want to see them.
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone on this board one time had stats of how close the stations were to one another. The stats showed that the distance between stations in Paris were the closest, while those in Seoul weren't very close compared to some others in addition to paris. He claimed it is pretty hard to not quickly run into a metro station in paris while in some parts of seoul you might have to go a fair distance before you bump into a station.

Point being that length of track and the # of passengers does say something, but it doesn't necessarily mean it is a good metro system. Not that you were saying otherwise Bulsajo, just thought i'd throw that out.
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I was just interested to see where London (and Seoul) fit in the scheme of things. Of course this set of stats covers only volume/usage not physical scale or quality.

Since the period was left out I'm guessing it's an annual figure?
That would have Moscow with 9 million users daily, or half that per morning and evening rush hour.
4.5 million daily commuters on the subway?
Does that sound right for Moscow?

The same figure for Seoul would be approximately 3 million.
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buddy bradley



Joined: 24 Aug 2003
Location: The Beyond

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russians man - if they're not stealing the Pole's horses, they're travelling - damn them all to hell, I say.
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keithinkorea



Joined: 17 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoul subway system is pretty damn good, It's the best way to get about the city as the roads are clogged with traffic much of the time.

To be honest London's tube is a bit of an embarrasement, it is dirty and overpriced, the only thing it has going for it is that in many places you can't use your mobile phone so you don't get those annoying city types bellowing into their handsets. Some of the stations in London are pretty nifty bits of architecture but they're impractical as they're too small to handle the volume of passengers.

In Seoul at least the stations are big, though some have some pretty confusing signs about where to go. London is easy to use in comparison. Seouls subway is great clean, efficient and cheap.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was amazed at how small and cramped the London tube trains looked compared to those in Seoul.
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keithinkorea



Joined: 17 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
I was amazed at how small and cramped the London tube trains looked compared to those in Seoul.


The London underground is one of the oldest in the world, that's its only excuse for being so crappy. It simply wasn't designed to handle the volume of passengers these days.
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The Lemon



Joined: 11 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone know if it's fact or a nasty South Korean Spy Den rumour that the whole Pyongyang Underground is a fake? Apparently visitors to the city are taken to Station A, always let off at Station B, and never get to see the rest of the line.

If there is a "rest of the line".

Pyongyang Metro
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

keithinkorea wrote:
Derrek wrote:
I was amazed at how small and cramped the London tube trains looked compared to those in Seoul.


The London underground is one of the oldest in the world, that's its only excuse for being so crappy. It simply wasn't designed to handle the volume of passengers these days.


I figured that.

The wallpaper in my local subway restaurant back home showed the original rounded NY subway cars. Very interesting.
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Lemon wrote:
Anyone know if it's fact or a nasty South Korean Spy Den rumour that the whole Pyongyang Underground is a fake? Apparently visitors to the city are taken to Station A, always let off at Station B, and never get to see the rest of the line.

If there is a "rest of the line".

Pyongyang Metro


I think there was back in the day but they don't have the resources to use the rest, so it is a fake in a way (it has been built but isn't used now).
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simone



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Now Mostly @ Home

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Lemon wrote:
Anyone know if it's fact or a nasty South Korean Spy Den rumour that the whole Pyongyang Underground is a fake? Apparently visitors to the city are taken to Station A, always let off at Station B, and never get to see the rest of the line.

If there is a "rest of the line".

Pyongyang Metro


Hey! That's Simon Bone's site. Kinda-sorta-dated him for a while back in my travelling around Europe days. Yeah, that's where my handle came from. Picked it long before I met my husband. Wink

Simon's a bit of a freak. HEAVILY into public transportation. Can't shut up about it... you can understand the short-lived nature of our relationship.

He *did* go to NK for the 50th anniversary - saw some fabulous pics of the Mass Games. Amazing stuff.
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Gunnery Sergeant Hartman



Joined: 24 Jul 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Intelligence suggests underground tunnels connecting major military installations in and around Pyeongyang, and also a fully serviceable underground runway apparently.

James Bond-esque stuff indeed.
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