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mercury



Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Pusan

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:12 am    Post subject: Going, GOING, gone.............. Reply with quote

This summer I have met Chinese crowds everywhere I went, Dublin, Amsterdam, Glasgow, and now in Italy they are living upstairs from me, the tours are in Chinese now, Italian cook books in Chinese now, and I just read this in the Korean newspaper

http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/opinion/200507/kt2005072116384254050.htm


If I were Korea, I would be sweating right now. Once the older people are gone, and China has taken over all the juicy Korean markets overseas, I think a lot of our students will be cleaning the streets and subway bathrooms (which is good, they will be able to carry on conversations with foreigners!)

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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not just Koreans who are/will be sweating. Have you seen the news about report the Pentagon released on China this week?


N.B. 1 This a Canadian paper, the Toronto Globe & Mail. Dated Oct 25 2004.

N.B. 2 This missing word that completes the sentence is "millenium".

Back in high school a buddy of mine had a t-shirt with a t-72 tank on with the caption "Visit Russia before Russia visits you." Time to update that t-shirt?
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

millenium? that's stupid. the hype on china is already overblown. do they really believe this?
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know, but it sells papers.
When I saw the paper that day I didn't think "Oh My God! I've got to start taking Mandarin lessons!" but I certainly did start thinking more about China.
The whole 'sleeping giant' stereotype has been around for so long it's hard to come to grips with the fact that it is waking up now.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andre Gunder Frank doesn't believe it's just hype, and he's an authority on world-system world history. I met him after a seminar and was lucky enough to discuss this with him for a few moments.

See, esp. his Reorient, where he argues that China's always been the center of things. It's just that the Spanish discovery of so much gold and silver in the Americas in the sixteenth century temporarily shifted the world-system's focus onto Western Europe, which was only something of a historical Johnny-come-lately in the bigger picture. So it was all artificial -- that is, Western hegemony -- as that gold and silver, massive as its was, was finite. China is not so much "awakening" as we are simply "reorienting" back to a Sino-centric world economy, where the real natural economic power lies...remember why Western Europe was so motivated to explore in the sixteenth century? To get around the hostile Middle East and find a more secure trade route to China, the place everyone wanted to get to...

In any case, if they are the future, I hope we can impregnate their society with some of Western Civiliation's better qualities first: democracy, civil and human rights, tolerance, etc.
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mercury



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In any case, if they are the future, I hope we can impregnate their society with some of Western Civiliation's better qualities first: democracy, civil and human rights, tolerance, etc.[/quote]





Second: Pizza Huts, Taco bells, Wal-marts, Air conditioned movie theaters, clean toilets, deodorant for all adults, and.......free refills on coke or pepsi at all fast food places Cool



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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In any case, if they are the future, I hope we can impregnate their society with some of Western Civiliation's better qualities first: democracy, civil and human rights, tolerance, etc.


I would add one thing to that list: a healthy dose of amnesia about all those Unequal Treaties the West imposed on them.
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