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36 dead, 120 injured at Sharm el-Sheik

 
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:41 pm    Post subject: 36 dead, 120 injured at Sharm el-Sheik Reply with quote

Perhaps it's a terrible thing to say, but I'm glad I visited Egypt when I did. Before the Intifadah it was relatively carefree- you just had to watch out for theives and have enough baksheesh for cops.


http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/07/22/egypt.explosions.ap/
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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:01 pm    Post subject: Re: 36 dead, 120 injured at Sharm el-Sheik Reply with quote

Bulsajo wrote:
Perhaps it's a terrible thing to say, but I'm glad I visited Egypt when I did. Before the Intifadah it was relatively carefree- you just had to watch out for theives and have enough baksheesh for cops.


http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/07/22/egypt.explosions.ap/


I hope that this gets the same coverage that London did- but I doubt it. Then again, it depends on how many westerners are injured or killed.
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was the target: westerners. Egyptians are not allowed to go to Sharm unless they have business there or have some other legit excuse (hotel reservations, etc).
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dulouz



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Egypt isn't part of the coalition. Ya-ta boy et al, what did Egypt do wrong?
Why are they the ones to blame?
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keithinkorea



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone who is affected by terrorism has my sympathy. Whilst obviously an attack on London is more important to me as I have friends and family who work there, I only vaguely know a couple of Egyptians and people who've travelled to Egypt. 50 dead is very bad news indeed.

Egypt was targeted before by extremist terrorists with the attack at the pyramids. It is not a first in Egypt.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

slight correction: the terrorist attacks were in Luxor. I don't believe there has ever been a terrorist attack by the Pyramids.

On the other hand, this is the 2nd attack on the sinai peninsula w/in a year. Last october 2 hotels were bombed near the Israeli border.
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dulouz wrote:
Egypt isn't part of the coalition. Ya-ta boy et al, what did Egypt do wrong?
Why are they the ones to blame?

You really don't know?
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dulouz wrote:
Egypt isn't part of the coalition. Ya-ta boy et al, what did Egypt do wrong?
Why are they the ones to blame?


I know you're being sarcastic but who cares:

A) It is propped up by US aid (#2 aid recepient of american money)
B) It is secular, and therefore bad in the eyes of OBL and co.
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BigBlackEquus



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the extremists who call themselves Muslims, but certainly are not, detonated these things late in the night when most tourists were asleep. I think mostly Egyptians, who arent supposed to go into that area, it is said, were killed.

My gay friend ribbed me today that between this blast and the failed backpacks in London, it's a good thing that the Muslim extremists are pretty stupid. That embarased me some, but then I remembered that these guys arent Muslims. They're just unintelligent, sad individuals who are easily swayed by other murderers who kill in Allah's name, yet have no right to do so.
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dulouz



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I remembered that these guys arent Muslims


What exactly do you mean by this? What policy manouvers are you going to try to pull off? For instance, the police chase a suspect into a mosque and the Muslims say "Extremists aren't Muslims and therefore don't go to mosques therefore there are never any extremists in mosques".

Your part of the problem, aren't you? The police turn to the Muslim community and the police are told that the Muslim community can't help since the extremists aren't Muslim?

Is this your way of saying "I'm not helping, go blank yourself". It really is.

No White person belongs to the KKK since White people wouldn't join the KKK.
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bigverne



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That embarased me some, but then I remembered that these guys arent Muslims.


They may not interpret the Koran and the hadith in the same way that you do, but to say they are not muslims is sweeping the whole problem of Islamic terrorism under the carpet. If they are killing in the name of Allah, to bring about the establishment of Shariah Law, while using the Koran to justify their actions then they are muslims.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The most recent report is that 82 are dead.


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Egypt isn't part of the coalition. Ya-ta boy et al, what did Egypt do wrong?
Why are they the ones to blame?


Wow! I'm remembered by name by dulouz. If I didn't suspect that he is certifiable I'd be flattered.

I will proceed under the assumption that he was using a rhetorical question. Otherwise, for someone who claims to be up on news from the Middle East, it would be an admission of ignorance. That is not typical of the party in question.

Onward.

I thought this was a good comment by BigBlack Equus:

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That embarased me some, but then I remembered that these guys arent Muslims. They're just unintelligent, sad individuals who are easily swayed by other murderers who kill in Allah's name, yet have no right to do so.


What came to my mind when I read this was the Reverend Jim Jones. He was that minister out in Oakland about 25 years ago who started his own church and focused on social welfare. All well and good. Then he kind of spun off into the wild blue yonder with his theories that the CIA was after him and took his people down to Guiana. They ended up drinking green Kool-Aid with cyanide in it. Was he a Christian? Well.....

I consider terrorists Moslems in the same way Jim and the boys were Christians. Technically, yes. But that is not really the heart of the matter. It's those other ideas that are the central problem. Just as your average Christian doesn't go around handing out green Kool-Aid on the streets, the average Moslem doesn't go around with plastic explosives in his backpack.

[PS: BigBlack Equus: You're a Moslem AND the biggest black gay man we have ever seen?]


[/quote]If they are killing in the name of Allah, to bring about the establishment of Shariah Law, while using the Koran to justify their actions then they are muslims.
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It strikes me that this is true only insofar as you want it to be true, for your own reasons. It serves your political views. The fact that a billion or so Moslems don't go around doing this is just ignored. Ignoring this also serves your political views.
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