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igotthisguitar
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 Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:57 am Post subject: Frontline: The Way the Music Died ... |
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The modern music scene was created in 1969, at Woodstock. Half a million fans, dozens of artists, and the politics of the times came together as a big bang moment that eventually would generate billions of dollars. But over the last twenty years, MTV, compact discs, corporate consolidation, Internet piracy, and greed have contributed to a perfect storm for the recording industry. FRONTLINE examines how the business that has provided the soundtrack of the lives of a generation is on the verge of collapse ...
An enlightening four-part streaming video series ...
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/music/view/1_hi.html |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Do they mention in the doc that the original promoters of Woodstock sold out worse than any pop star pimping Pepsi?
Sparkles*_* |
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Emu Bitter
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| Metal was only born around 68/69 so there was no music to speak of before then apart from CCR & Jerry Lee. |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| Emu Bitter wrote: |
| Metal was only born around 68/69 so there was no music to speak of before then |
I can't say I subscribe to that viewpoint, but if I did,
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I'd be wondering how you left the Kinks of that list. You Really Got Me and All Day And All of the Night were the hardest sounds around. |
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Emu Bitter
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:07 am Post subject: |
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The Kinks were Welsh  |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| Emu Bitter wrote: |
| The Kinks were Welsh |
That's Greek to me. |
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Moldy Rutabaga
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Cool. I'll watch the show online, thanks for the link.
But to me the idea that rock music began or owes anything to Woodstock is ridiculous and part of the inflated egos of baby boomers. Woodstock was a snapshot of the transition between 60s pop music and more serious 70s guitar-based or political music, but to suggest that it by itself 'changed' rock is not true. The bands who played there didn't debut there or become famous simply because of the event, and there was no "Woodstock" sound that developed afterwards.
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Moldy Rutabaga wrote: |
Cool. I'll watch the show online, thanks for the link.
But to me the idea that rock music began or owes anything to Woodstock is ridiculous and part of the inflated egos of baby boomers. Woodstock was a snapshot of the transition between 60s pop music and more serious 70s guitar-based or political music, but to suggest that it by itself 'changed' rock is not true. The bands who played there didn't debut there or become famous simply because of the event, and there was no "Woodstock" sound that developed afterwards.
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Yah, cool documentary.
I agree with most of what you say about Woodstock. What i think should be emphasized however is that it marked a cultural watershed. The Stones playing Altamont was the peace / love antithesis & one really: ONE BIG "bummer" trip.
Also, the first Woodstock was no where near the corporate ripoff & hype-thing that the two sequels were. In fact if i recall correctly, back in 69' there came a point in the weekend's events where everyone was simply let in for free ( much to Bill Graham's chagrin ). |
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Greekfreak
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| Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:46 am Post subject: |
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Bill Graham had very little to do with Woodstock--by his own admission, he was very skeptical of the proceedings, and was only involved with the promoting of Santana on the bill, and securing them a prime-time slot. He also was an unpaid consultant as to other bookings, but it was Chip Monck and Michael Lang's baby. Along with the Fillmore East staff.
His biggest complaint was that after Woodstock, people got used to seeing bands in big settings, and then the artists began realizing that "hey, why play ten gigs for five thousand apiece when we can play one gig for 50?".
I refer to the bible of rockology, "Bill Graham Presents".
In any event, thanks for the link; that's quality programming I don't get to see very often. |
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Darl
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| That entertained me. Thanks for the link. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 12:30 am Post subject: |
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>. Your welcome to all. Glad so many seemed to enjoy it.
Hmmmmm ... almost makes me want to watch it again ... hehehe ...  |
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joe_doufu
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| Not that I don't like the music that I know was associated with Woodstock, but it was really just a concert. The suggestion that it defined a generation makes me a little wary... does that mean my generation (born 1977) is defined by the bilgewater MTV excretes? |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:43 am Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
| Not that I don't like the music that I know was associated with Woodstock, but it was really just a concert. The suggestion that it defined a generation makes me a little wary |
Ask anyone who was there, and many that were around at the time, and they'll tell you that, yes, it was a defining moment in their history...in America's history. Or at least it seemed that way at the time, before they all sold out.
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| ... does that mean my generation (born 1977) is defined by the bilgewater MTV excretes? |
Yes, sadly.
Sparkles*_* |
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joe_doufu
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| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
| Ask anyone who was there, and many that were around at the time, and they'll tell you that, yes, it was a defining moment in their history...in America's history. |
Just FYI, most Baby Boomers were not at Woodstock. I would venture to guess most were not hippies and did not practice public mud sex. It was a defining moment in pop culture, nothing more. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
| Ask anyone who was there, and many that were around at the time, and they'll tell you that, yes, it was a defining moment in their history...in America's history. |
Just FYI, most Baby Boomers were not at Woodstock. I would venture to guess most were not hippies and did not practice public mud sex. It was a defining moment in pop culture, nothing more. |
I agree and disagree. Remember that at the time Woodstock represented the counter-culture. It only later evolved into a brand.
Woodstock was important, just as punk rock, hip-hop and other music that imported a social message were important. But unfortunately all were corrupted to feed the beast of commercialism.
Sparkles*_* |
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