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Badmojo
Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round
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| Homer wrote: |
| At one point everyone has to grow up and realize they are not in High School anymore. |
Why?
Just keep following those rules, Homer.
Like the blind leading the blind. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:50 am Post subject: |
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Because badmojo when you have a job and start missing days because you got hammered it makes you a moron.
One can have fun and enjoy life without getting hammered and using that as an excuse to miss work.
You get paid to do a job right? That comes with minimal responsabilities mojo, one of which is to show up and do your job. If you don't show and do so because of being hung over that is simply idiotic.
But, mojo, you keep defending the right to be a moron and miss work because of being a boozer. I have no problems with that. Go dude..go...fly that flag..chant that chant: "Rights for the drunk..rights for the drunks" |
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Badmojo
Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 4:08 am Post subject: |
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Well live and let live.
We're obviously in two different worlds, Homer.
In your world, you miss a day due to drinking and you lose your job.
In my world, I miss a day due to drinking and my hagwon owner apologizes to me for interfering with my social calendar.
So who's the moron, bud? |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 5:10 am Post subject: |
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| Badmojo wrote: |
| So who's the moron, bud? |
You are.
You sound like a union worker back home. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| the_beaver wrote: |
| Badmojo wrote: |
| So who's the moron, bud? |
You are.
You sound like a union worker back home. |
agreed.
Man, even I want to fire half of these guys. |
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Hanson
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:02 am Post subject: |
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This thread kinda points out the 'serious-about-teaching' posters from the 'I'm-havin'-a-blast-couldn't-care-less-about-teaching' posters.
I'm not sayin' one's better than the other, just that this thread does shed some light on the difference. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
| Zyzyfer wrote: |
| Damn, am I the only person here who drinks at work on a regular basis? |
Nope.
*hic!*
Sparkles*_* |
Funnily enough, even though those aren't my words, it's odd when you're sitting at work late on a Friday, trying to get everything done, and your coworkers order chicken and beer. That got me right back into the swing of things.
And the time I drank too much for the new employees lunch and was buzzing at work was pretty cool, too. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| Hanson wrote: |
This thread kinda points out the 'serious-about-teaching' posters from the 'I'm-havin'-a-blast-couldn't-care-less-about-teaching' posters.
I'm not sayin' one's better than the other, just that this thread does shed some light on the difference. |
heh, maybe potential bosses should take note? |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:15 am Post subject: |
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Don't you think that's rather extreme? Badmojo or anyone else takes a bloody sickday once or twice a year because of a hangover, and he's suddenly a moron? a bad employee? Well maybe by your books, but not by mine.
Obviously if it's a regular or even semi-regular occurence, or it was on top of obvious weekly hangovers, etc. etc., then it would be a problem. But I'd rather an otherwise good teacher took a sick day once or twice a year then come to work in overly-bad shape.
We're all human and these things do happen. If they don't, well then you're just square. You wouldn't want me to work for you because I'm a 'I'm-havin'-a-blast-couldn't-care-less-about-teaching acting like a unionised' type of teacher. Well, I wouldn't want to work for you because you are obviously too uptight, self-righteous, and rigid to deal with. |
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kangnam mafioso
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: Teheranno
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| I missed a few days of teaching as the direct result of drinking in the ROK. My first year at the hokwan, I missed one day, but called several hours in advance and they were able to get another teacher to cover. At the university during my second year, I missed 3 days after staying out too late with the boys at the local boozer. I was fortunate at the university because my students didn't complain or go to the office to inquire why their instructor wasn't in the room. They were cool like that. I got very lucky. It's not something I'm proud of, but these things happen in the modern world. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| bosintang wrote: |
| We're all human and these things do happen. If they don't, well then you're just square. You wouldn't want me to work for you because I'm a 'I'm-havin'-a-blast-couldn't-care-less-about-teaching acting like a unionised' type of teacher. Well, I wouldn't want to work for you because you are obviously too uptight, self-righteous, and rigid to deal with. |
Well, if you think needing to drink makes you cool then we are different. I've been to some of the biggest parties around, and on occasion staggered away from them. BUT i'm smart enough to plan my schedule.
Again, I think someone said it right when they said this thread really separates the type of woker on here.
I'm square and you're a flake.. are we done with the high school thing yet? |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| bosintang wrote: |
| We're all human and these things do happen. If they don't, well then you're just square. You wouldn't want me to work for you because I'm a 'I'm-havin'-a-blast-couldn't-care-less-about-teaching acting like a unionised' type of teacher. Well, I wouldn't want to work for you because you are obviously too uptight, self-righteous, and rigid to deal with. |
Well, if you think needing to drink makes you cool then we are different. I've been to some of the biggest parties around, and on occasion staggered away from them. BUT i'm smart enough to plan my schedule.
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No, I don't think drinking makes me "cool", and I never said so. I'm saying in the real world people are not perfect and they make mistakes or may have social obligations or what have you. A good employer should be flexible and realise this.
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Again, I think someone said it right when they said this thread really separates the type of woker on here.
I'm square and you're a flake.. are we done with the high school thing yet? |
The fact that you can make a judgement about me like this without ever having met me, and based on things I never actually said, says a lot more about you than it does about me.
And for the record, every job I've ever worked, 100% without fail in both Korea and my home country, I've had a good relationship with my employer and was valued as an employee . |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:59 am Post subject: |
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Honestly, I think that there is a big difference between a person who misses work once or twice a years and one who "comes in every second day stamering". I've worked with both. I've also employed both. It's not that hard to tell, frequency is often a tip.
Read through the posts on here, so many have posted with an unabashed pride in their drinking. Seriously, if you think that "the occasional mistake" is alright.. fine for you.
I thnk we're in agreement we won't be working together. Have fun in your hogwon. |
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bosintang
Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
Honestly, I think that there is a big difference between a person who misses work once or twice a years and one who "comes in every second day stamering". I've worked with both. I've also employed both. It's not that hard to tell, frequency is often a tip.
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I agree. There is a big difference between the two, and that's the point that I've been making all along.
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Read through the posts on here, so many have posted with an unabashed pride in their drinking. Seriously, if you think that "the occasional mistake" is alright.. fine for you.
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Who is unabashed? In the last couple pages Badmojo and I have been the main defenders here. He said he missed work once in three years because of drinking, and I personally have never missed work even once.
As VanIslander pointed out, it's a misdemeanour, not a crime. But so is missing work because of family problems, stress, illness, social obligations, or many other reasons. These things just happen. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:28 am Post subject: |
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| bosintang wrote: |
| Who is unabashed? . |
| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| Guilty as charged. Never an entire day, just late mornings. . |
| billybrobby wrote: |
| . korea is a great place to get drunk on the weeknights. and if you miss a little work, well, hey, *beep* happens. . |
| just because wrote: |
My first year here I would come to work hungover about once a week but I think I only missed 2 days due to my stupidity....
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Who are you people who have been brainwashed so badly that you actually brag about never missing a day of work as if you are some kind of super-human employee.
These must be the same people who happily take those 8 classes/day jobs for 1.8 and don't complain becuase they are just happy Korea gave them a job. |
| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
Listen, if you people aren't drinking yourselves into demented states where you disappear for several days and have to be hunted down by police in three cities only to re-emerge wearing a garbage bag on the curb outside your hagwon clutching a 3 litre plastic bottle of soju and raving about gamma rays..........you aren't drinking enough.
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Anyway, I would tend to side with Shawner anyway. Are you going to tell me there's something wrong with phoning in sick two or three times a year because of a drinking induced illness? I'm not saying you do it every month, but the odd slip up over one full calendar year is no big crime. I would say that goes double for all the people in hagwons with 10 vacation days a year doing 7 or 8 classes a day. You got to let the stress out somehow. Is it professional to miss work due to drinking? No, but some people get the flu and miss work. Others never catch a thing but what they drank last night.
Once or twice a year? I can live with that. |
| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
Oh waaaaatevah, throw some crayons at them and tell them to draw so you can sleep.
Works all the way up to university level. |
| deessell wrote: |
| Yep I did it once the first time I was here. I rang and said I was too drunk to come in. It was Christmas Day, I got lucky the night before and I was leaving in one week. They docked me pay....hey no problems. |
| Howard Roark wrote: |
Me and me friend J. are probably the loser-champions of missing work due to alcohol over-consumption and never knowing when to go home!
Disparage me at will...I don't care.
My friend is waaaayyyy worse than me. We worked at an elementary school for 6 weeks. How many Mondays do you think we made it to?
Me 3/6
Friend 1/6
Sadly, or perhaps luckily, Koreans are pretty understanding about drinking. Once J. ran out of excuses and said "you know what, I'm not gonna lie anymore, I didn't go to work because I was drunk". Do you think he got fired? Nope. He got his pay, next weeks schedule, and a stern warning not to miss work again...which he did...and still didn't get fired.
Once, I came to work a little hungover. I was talking to my boss and he started laughing and he said I smelled like alcohol! He laughed! But then maybe that's because he's 3 sheets to the wind by 7pm every night.
They make it so easy 
Crazy people and crazy stuff here in Korea...where the standard is just a little bit lower...
Am I proud of myself for missing work? Of course not  But I still have a job *knock knock* and lots of good stories...and nothin' beats a good story! |
I think that is a good enough sample for me to understand. |
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