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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just wondering who else shares my opinion that Harry Potter is not innocent reading for children. Magic and Scorcery was started using demons and most who still practice it call upon demons. These are just simple facts. What is innocent about that??? And yes, I know its just imagination, but someday these kids will grow up...


Just wondering who shares my opinion that the bible is not innocent reading for children? Magic and sorcery and those who call upon god to strike down their enemies still practice it. Of course they call gods demons angels but thats just semantics. These are simple facts! What is innocent about that? Unfortunately there are thousands of children that grow up in an environment of hate and are brainwashed into believing that this 'god' will punish them if they dont do exactly as the book(bible) says.

Now these kids grow up and spread this contamination throughout the world honestly belivieving they are doing good.

Sad but true.
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sportsguy35



Joined: 27 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just wondering who shares my opinion that the bible is not innocent reading for children? Magic and sorcery and those who call upon god to strike down their enemies still practice it. Of course they call gods demons angels but thats just semantics. These are simple facts! What is innocent about that? Unfortunately there are thousands of children that grow up in an environment of hate and are brainwashed into believing that this 'god' will punish them if they dont do exactly as the book(bible) says.

Now these kids grow up and spread this contamination throughout the world honestly belivieving they are doing good.

Sad but true.
Well, it seems that you have been hurt by the church in the past. As far as spreading the gospel, I don't think the doctors and other missionaries that risk death to spread freedom are "contaminating" the world. If you have ever seen someone who has just realized what they have in Jesus and the joy they have, it is amazing. I know that the "church" has hurt a lot of people, but thats because the Spirit of God has left and now they need rules to take the place of that Spirit. They have to have something to follow and that turns a lot of people away. That was not Jesus' intention, at all. Spreading love and freedom is not contanimation, I don't think...
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I dont think that the doctors and other missionaries that risk death to spread freedom are "contaminating" the world


I will break your statement down for you so it is easy for you to understand.

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I don't think


No you dont think. Your ability for free thought has been destroyed by years of methodical brainwashing by your 'religion'.

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spread freedom


They do not spread freedom. What they do is go to areas where people have lived for centuries in peace and harmony worshipping as their ancestors did for millenia. Your missionaries/mercenaries move in and spread their lies and misinformation. They attack the religions of the people and supplant if with their own 'religion' They threaten people(usually poorer and less educated) with "eternal damnation" if they fail to convert to your 'god'. They bring disease with them as they expose these people to germs and bacteria for which they have no defence.

Then the doctors come and try to fix the infection the missionaries have spread throughout an innocent people. Of course many of these 'doctors' are christians too and also spread the lies and deciet of christianity throughout the world.

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are "contaminating" the world


Typhoid Mary did not believe that she was a carrier of disease that does not mute the fact that where she walked death followed. Christianity is much the same.....christians dont believe they are doing anything wrong yet the damages dealt to cultures and people are the same. People who go forth in the name of their god only want to 'convert' people. They are not interested in the cultures and beliefs of others they are interested in just one one belief...their belief.

Anger towards god Laughing I have no anger towards any imaginary being. I hold no ill will towards your god, Santa Claus, the boogeyman, or anything esle that does not exist except in the minds of the weak and the brainwashed.

Christianity is a cult, nothing more, nothing less.....as are all religions.[/quote]
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Kimchieluver



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grotto, thanks for your self induced brainwashed comment. Obviously, it is the TV that is your spiritual inspiration.

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krats1976



Joined: 14 May 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm... I haven't seen anything about Harry Potter on this whole page. Keep with the topic people!!












































P.S. ... please notice my new signature. Wink
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fusionbarnone



Joined: 31 May 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bible has had a lot of revision over the centuries, even when the persecuted in Constantinople, complained to the Grand Sanhedron. The advice from the top was to become, Christians(according to some). Many did, and over the centuries advised from the Vatican.

Many of the Popes were pretty radical too, inciting burnings, devout rallies to the holy land (cannabalism saracen butt roasts when conventional food became scarce). Their concept of acceptance of "other" religions/thought-dogma, was still rudely undeveloped. And, intolerance for the alternative, swift.

I'm pretty wary of born-agains(this century); been burned too often by "the found". Folk so intent on finding something "inherently"bad, used to ruin my lunch. I respect them for trying but, refuse to pay the freight on the road least travelled. Perhaps with the negative press on modern church goings-on and liberal proclamations and made for media court sequels; white magick movies provide a great way to get relief(comic, affirmative, or otherwise).

Strangely enough, the most devout support for the faith seem to exist amongst the lupenproletariat/homeless, etc, according to one article(almost validates St. Juniper). Those that possessed the least, shunned by society proper, demonstrate the greatest faith. Potter has a hefty balance in his Elve's bank, perhaps that goes to say the good guys always get what's comin to them, eventually. Hopeful I thought.

Can't say anything bad about Wicca folk, because I know any, do they make nice candles? But, have you noticed there does seem to be perfectly acceptable adult versions; Free Masonry; Druidism; Rosicrucianism; Skull & Bones( do they really have Geronimo's skull), ad-nauseum; -ites and -isms. "Modern society" doesn't blink at this: they have rituals too. So perhaps more power to the Potterites, maybe someday, todays kids will become tomorrow's level 33 Masons who will inherit the earth.

It also seems these days, most people are intent in believing in something. This isn't lost on the media either; UFOs, ESP, inner-discovery of esoteric energies, lost or secret societies(crypto scienecs/ crypto religions, etc). Big Mcs and Brittany. It seems people are so busy being told what the latest fixation is, that they have begun to hibernate/vegetate in a state of full wakefulness. I wonder if uncritical thinking and unexamined acceptance for "all things" delivered by the media is the reason for the proliferation and ready-to-eat belief in urban legends per-se. Modern man seems to be as gullible as their centuries forebears. Crypto is a term intended to lend pseudo scientific credibility to something difficult to prove(your left to provide your own logic). These proliferate, just ask your friends.

Christians have a saying; "he who stands for nothing, falls for anything" and it makes sense in a world without moral constraints. We all need something pertaining to moral values rather than nothing, other-wise the world will honor the values of the Psychpath. So that's a goodie for the Potterites there too, the millenium old battle between good and evil. Where we know the difference. Perhaps and although the context is pure unbiblical fantasy, it does at least reconnect or reaffirm peoples belief in good triumphing over the naughty. That's gotta be a plus.

An indian philosopher/humanist named Sakar, identified social histrory as consisting of the values of the time reflected in the leadership of the times ie; acquisitor, intellectual, laborer, and warrior periods. The periods could be identified by the current values amongst the population during each period; acquisitor=80s greed/ambition/investment(everyone was talking investments; even schoolboys on the bus home).

Perhaps society is in a stage of stasis after so many years of programing selves, discovering inner childs, looking out for ET, etc, that modern society has just decided to kick back and relax from it all. And perhaps, Christianity is merely making a stand against falling attendances. Who know's as long as the popcorn is hot.

BTW: the Nimbus broomstick had to be pulled off the market for delivering more than than it's sweeping power.
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The Great Toad



Joined: 12 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HARRY POOtter Is A Brat Boy!!!!!!!

Ok forget the Devil / Satan Harry Vile Cult boy or CS Lewis Spirit Boy.

What I say Ans stress is that when your students who read admire and emulate Poooootr Boy are rebels / brats in your class you can blame Harry Poot Poot as he is an exampple of the rebel child who needs to remember I was in law eforcement am a way smarty teacher an hee shoulds


RESPECT MY ATHORATAH !!!!

(Don't come complaining to me when your harry fans are brats in your class.)
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matthewwoodford



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As an atheist, I'd just like to point out that Stalin, Pol Pot, and Hitler were all atheists (although Hitler seems to have believed in Providence with a capital 'p'), and they killed more people than any Christians in history.

And don't preachers have anything better to worry about than the lure of the occult being spread through Harry Potter? I find it hard to take the occult seriously, but then who does besides Christians and wackos?
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Hans Blix



Joined: 31 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

matthewwoodford wrote:
As an atheist, I'd just like to point out that Stalin, Pol Pot, and Hitler were all atheists (although Hitler seems to have believed in Providence with a capital 'p')


hitler wasn't an athiest, tho the debate still goes as to whether he was rc or not.

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/unknown/hitler.html

"In his speech opening the campaign for the reichstag and Prussian diet elections, Hitler attacked communists for the spread of atheism", "Hitler, himself, is a Catholic" - from the article.

sorry to go off topic.
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Freezer Burn



Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, Do you believe in Witchcraft, Im suuuuuure there are a thousand evil little witches and wizard out there yelling "IMPEDIMENTA" and "STUPIFY" to try and hex their enemies in sunday school.
Your so paranoid about the big wide world that a book scares you and your religious friends to no end.
Witchcraft doesn't exist in reality, WICCA does and its used for good and has nothing to do with the devil.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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God does not strike down all that piss him off, we have grace.



One of the oddest events in the bible is the time they were carrying the Ark somewhere and it started to tip over. Some guy put his hand on it to prevent it falling and was fried for his efforts. Strange.
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seoulunitarian



Joined: 06 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 5:13 pm    Post subject: re: Reply with quote

blunder1983 wrote:
Its issues like this that are slowly spelling the demise of Christianity.

I don't know why people bother, I got into a big debate with some christians at university about how harry potter is just a book but they wouldnt have it. Of course READING the book was beneath them, it always makes me chuckle when you see news reports about books and the christians damn them getting integral things wrong. It just adds to the atheists contempt.

Personally I think that a book which tells you you go to hell if you don't believe in Jesus regardless of WHAT life you lead is rather stupid too. Lets face it (this is the point where christians should stick their fingers in their ears and hum loudly) the world WAS created by the big bang and we formed from Evolution. Hell was a non descript place until the ministers in the middle ages, fearing that they would loose people fromthe church jazzed it up.

If you want to read a REALLY satanic book, read His Dark Materials, thats awesome and its a war against god!!! (be aware you should only read it if your going to hell already, cause apparently the punishment for reading a book which goes against what god thinks is sufficient to damn your soul).

I just wish he'd follow the constitution, you know freedom of speech and all that. But I suppose, one rule for him another for his playthings.

Anyway rant over, how many kids have you seen on the news doing "satanic things" cause they read HP? I havent heard of one...


The problem with most Christians is that they read the Bible literally, instead of metaphorically truthful (see Reading the Bible Again for the First Time by Marcus Borg). The problem with most atheists is that they do the same. When one ill-informed Christian speaks, the rest of us get lumped in there with him/her. The same happens when an ill-informed atheist speaks.

Peace,
Daniel
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seoulunitarian



Joined: 06 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 5:30 pm    Post subject: agreed Reply with quote

Grotto wrote:
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Just wondering who else shares my opinion that Harry Potter is not innocent reading for children. Magic and Scorcery was started using demons and most who still practice it call upon demons. These are just simple facts. What is innocent about that??? And yes, I know its just imagination, but someday these kids will grow up...


Just wondering who shares my opinion that the bible is not innocent reading for children? Magic and sorcery and those who call upon god to strike down their enemies still practice it. Of course they call gods demons angels but thats just semantics. These are simple facts! What is innocent about that? Unfortunately there are thousands of children that grow up in an environment of hate and are brainwashed into believing that this 'god' will punish them if they dont do exactly as the book(bible) says.

Now these kids grow up and spread this contamination throughout the world honestly belivieving they are doing good.

Sad but true.


I am a Christian (though my bet is that sportsguy would disagree), and I agree with you that the Bible is more dangerous reading than Harry Potter. Actually, the comparison is faulty, because I do not think HP is even remotely dangerous for kids to read. But in the Bible, one can read about the following:

1. God commanding the Israelites to murder mean, women, and children who are not followers of Yahweh.
2. Abraham, David, and other "men of faith" who have multiple wives (and some on the side).
3. Outright ownership of women by men.
4. Stoning of children who backtalk their parents, women (and sometimes men) who commit adultery, homosexuals, witches, etc.
5. A God who kills his innocent son to make himself feel better about loving the sinners He created.

Now, before sportsguy or anyone else interprets the above as evidence of my not believing the Bible or following Christ, it's important to understand the myriad ways in which the Bible can be interpreted. I interpret the Bible mainly as metaphorical story which gives an overall picture, and as a book that sometimes simply records an ancient people's history of searching for God. The Bible is not the exact word of God, nor does it always present an accurate picture of who He/She is.

But the point of the thread is what is harmful to children. I would much rather my future child read Harry Potter than the Bible.

Peace,
Daniel
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seoulunitarian



Joined: 06 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 5:33 pm    Post subject: re: Reply with quote

Hans Blix wrote:
matthewwoodford wrote:
As an atheist, I'd just like to point out that Stalin, Pol Pot, and Hitler were all atheists (although Hitler seems to have believed in Providence with a capital 'p')


hitler wasn't an athiest, tho the debate still goes as to whether he was rc or not.

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/unknown/hitler.html

"In his speech opening the campaign for the reichstag and Prussian diet elections, Hitler attacked communists for the spread of atheism", "Hitler, himself, is a Catholic" - from the article.

sorry to go off topic.


Is someone a Catholic just because they say they are a Catholic. Words have no meaning apart from action.

Peace,
Daniel
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sportsguy35



Joined: 27 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The problem with most Christians is that they read the Bible literally, instead of metaphorically truthful (see Reading the Bible Again for the First Time by Marcus Borg). The problem with most atheists is that they do the same. When one ill-informed Christian speaks, the rest of us get lumped in there with him/her. The same happens when an ill-informed atheist speaks.


Bro, the last thing I am going to do is judge you. The last thing I want you to do is judge me. A Christian is a follower of Christ. If you follow Christ, awesome. I try to do the same. In my case, I do take the Bible litteraly. Otherwise it would just be a sidenote in how to live my life. I could take what I wanted, leave the rest. Use what I could to make me feel good and anything convicted me I would say doesnt apply now a days. I am not at all saying you do this. I am saying that is what I would do. I'm a weak guy and living by the standard that the Bible has only brought joy to my life. Although sometimes difficult. And yes, I believe that reading the Bible could be more dangerous than reading Harry Potter. For somebody to misread the Bible or interpret it their own way is extremely dangerous.
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