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Cymro



Joined: 11 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:28 am    Post subject: Banking in Korea Reply with quote

Bank clerk: What's your secret number?

...and your alien registration card details, passport, employment contract, payslip. Hand them all over.




I know they're just following government orders, but I need answers:

1) Do Koreans have to show proof of their income when they transfer money abroad?
(If not, how is their money any different from that in the pockets of us foreigners?) (And don't mention illegal incomes. Plenty of Koreans earn illegal and/or tax-evasive cash.)

2) Why do banks here insist on seeing employment contracts and payment records when the computer screen in front of them (and our little bank books) clearly shows a monthly deposit from the account of an employer whose name is right next to the sum? Every month!

3) Again, I know it's the government's say-so: we foreigners can only send home USD10,000 (what's wrong with stating a limit in local currency?) during a single stay in Korea (not sure, but as far as I know it could be a week or a year or whatever) and we have to have permission to send home more. What use is this rule if we can get around it by leaving and re-entering? What use is this rule when it takes into account no consideration of how much you might be bringing back into the country by using your foreign bank/credit cards here (or any other means) (or even taking/sending out of the country by other means)?
(The rules there are what I was told by the manager of a Seoul branch of Foreign Exchange Bank. I apologise if there are any inaccuracies.)

4) My passport clearly states that it "is the property of Her Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom". I guess immigration officers worldwide have permission to stamp it, stick things in it, staple it and whatever, but, since "it should not be tampered with or passed to an unauthorised person", I wonder if every bank clerk in Korea has permission from Q. Liz's Gov. to scribble in it and smudge it with red ink?

5) Do banks here have freely available such information as their rate of charges for such things as electronic (or wire) money transfers? They usually can't tell me until they put details into the computer and it comes up with a randomly not too expensive figure, but today, at Kookmin Bank the chap sitting next to the clueless clerk I was dealing with boldly stated off the top of his head "15,000won". I thought that was a little expensive for sending 1.4m, a little too regular an integer and strange that he knew it without asking the computer. So I decided to test him. "How about 2m?" "18,000". Grudgingly, I agreed to let Kookmin handle my cash transfer for the first time. So I said I'd give the 1.4m inclusive of the charge and as I wrote it down it struck me that I'm no longer sending 1.4m and so the charge should surely be less so I quickly guestimated the math to be 1,386,000won with a 14,000won charge. They were having none of it. How much does your bank charge for this service?

6) Why do Korean employers (of most foreign English teachers, at least) insist on you having an account with a specific bank? I regularly buy things online here and transfer money to sellers' accounts by just tapping in their details on the ATM. There's a small fee, but are hagwon directors and the such so miserly as to put you through the trouble of opening an account at an inconvenient bank just to save them a couple of thousand won each payday?

7) What's so secret about a bank customer's secret number in Korea?

Banking. Positively and definitely the one thing in this country that never fails to aggrevate me beyond the boundaries of reasonable frustration.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:50 am    Post subject: Re: Banking in Korea Reply with quote

I remitted 2/3 of my contracted salary out of Korea in the early 1990s. That 2/3 of contracted salary was the stated, official, legal, approved, well-understood-by-any-bank limit that I could repatriate. The sum (that 2/3 of contracted salary) was well over USD 10,000 / year. Have rules changed? Gotten worse? They certainly are looser now for Koreans. It doesn't stand to reason that it's gotten stricter only for expats.
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denverdeath



Joined: 21 May 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:08 am    Post subject: Re: Banking in Korea Reply with quote

Cymro wrote:
Bank clerk: What's your secret number?

...and your alien registration card details, passport, employment contract, payslip. Hand them all over.
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Have you ever tried not handing over anything but your alien registration card and passport? One of my friends says that he never gives anything but his ARC.

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5) Do banks here have freely available such information as their rate of charges for such things as electronic (or wire) money transfers? They usually can't tell me until they put details into the computer and it comes up with a randomly not too expensive figure, but today, at Kookmin Bank the chap sitting next to the clueless clerk I was dealing with boldly stated off the top of his head "15,000won". I thought that was a little expensive for sending 1.4m, a little too regular an integer and strange that he knew it without asking the computer. So I decided to test him. "How about 2m?" "18,000". Grudgingly, I agreed to let Kookmin handle my cash transfer for the first time. So I said I'd give the 1.4m inclusive of the charge and as I wrote it down it struck me that I'm no longer sending 1.4m and so the charge should surely be less so I quickly guestimated the math to be 1,386,000won with a 14,000won charge. They were having none of it. How much does your bank charge for this service?


It varies from bank to bank. Try Hana Bank. Pretty sure they're cheaper than the average. Are the various rates freely available? I've never asked, but I know it does depend on the amount you're sending. I also think they have some set guidelines at each bank which they'll likely give you if you ask.

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6) Why do Korean employers (of most foreign English teachers, at least) insist on you having an account with a specific bank? I regularly buy things online here and transfer money to sellers' accounts by just tapping in their details on the ATM. There's a small fee, but are hagwon directors and the such so miserly as to put you through the trouble of opening an account at an inconvenient bank just to save them a couple of thousand won each payday?


I think you can get around this rule if you insist on it. My new school wanted me to open a new account at either Boo-sahn Bank or one other place(name?). I asked, "Is Hana okay? The person looked confused and replied, "I'll check." She was back in 2 minutes and said it was okay and photocopied the info page of my passbook.

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7) What's so secret about a bank customer's secret number in Korea?


Not much. By "secret number" I think you mean PIN, right? I've noticed a bit of the same here. I always try to hunch over the machines to keep prying eyes away from my stuff when I get up to the ATM. They tend to line up so closely here. The thing is, I really don't think that they care what the hell I'm doing or what the hell my PIN is; they just want me to finish quickly. I'm like you though - better to be safe than sorry.

Banks are sh*t no matter where you go. I don't really want to piss you off further, but I bet if you check on it you'll find that your bank back home is charging you for that same wire transfer you already paid for here!

p.s. I think the $10,000US thing is mainly for security reasons. They are a little wary of currency speculators and the like. It's true though, it's not like 10,000 or so of us leaving with, or sending home, more than $10,000US is really going to deplete the resources all that much. Control. Governments and banks try to own and control. We could also ask why the hell the Japanese don't change Korean won. Christ, I was able to both get and exchange the stuff in smalltown Canada. Control. The banks in Japan were hurt bad in '97 and they want to control against the possibility of that happening again.
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bellum99



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:32 am    Post subject: you can send 100 million a year Reply with quote

I personally know that you can send 100 million a year. I sent one hundred million in December and then another 100 million in January. The main bank in Seoul said this was the law.
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pegpig



Joined: 10 May 2005

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:44 am    Post subject: Re: you can send 100 million a year Reply with quote

bellum99 wrote:
I personally know that you can send 100 million a year. I sent one hundred million in December and then another 100 million in January. The main bank in Seoul said this was the law.


Shocked

Is there something special the bank at the other end has to do in the event of such a large transfer? Do you have to forewarn them? I'm thinking maybe they have to automatically send some kind of notice to Rev Can? I'm doing something similar in the next month or so. Mind you, it's not quite as obscene as your amounts. Shocked
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone seems to be fixated on this USD 10,000 figure. I haven't remitted out of Korea the way I used to since the IMF crisis. But back in the day, the only resonance the sum USD 10,000 had with any expat was the amount you could physically hand-carry out on the plane. Had nothing to do with what you could remit through the banks if you had a job here.

Someone with a job and a work visa and an employment contract should be looking at 2/3 of their income as the remittable limit, not USD 10,000.

There are foreigners in various fields in Korea whose savings exceed USD 10,000 a month. That's savings, and that's per month. Legally earned and duly taxed. Now obviously, a USD 10,000/year limit would be unrealistic.


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itaewonguy



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

becuase korean workers are ROBOTS! they have no flexiblity!

p.s I ONLY EVER show them my passport! and thats it! and if some hero for a day bank teller tries to tell me we need income slip! I say NO!
I dont have one! becuase I dont work! that shuts them up!
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Horangi Munshin



Joined: 06 Apr 2003
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm


I've made transfers with Busan bank, Kookmin and Nonghyup. Busan and Kookmin charged 15000 and 13000 resp. Nonghyup charged 27000, but when I checked my home bank account, the Busan and Kookmin transfers attracted a fee at home too, not so for Nonghyup, it ended up cheaper overall!! If you only pay 13-15th for a transfer check your home account for fees!


Nonghyup want to see my bankbook and alien card of passport, maybe both, Busan bank wanted all kinds of stuff, like some letter of proof I work for my hagwon etc. I walked into Kookmin with a wad of cash and my alien card, no probs.
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Cymro



Joined: 11 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:53 am    Post subject: Re: Banking in Korea Reply with quote

denverdeath wrote:

Have you ever tried not handing over anything but your alien registration card and passport? One of my friends says that he never gives anything but his ARC.


Today was the first time I showed my passport since telling Hana bank to F * * * Off late in 2003. KEB used to send my cash with no more than my registration card for ID, even though I didn't have an account there. BUT, when I moved up to Seoul and opened an account, they had all my past transactions on their computer system. Being up in Seoul, I haven't visited the same branch every month and the past couple I've been to have just been anal about it.

Seriously though, do they have any right to be writing in people's passports?

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It varies from bank to bank. Try Hana Bank. Pretty sure they're cheaper than the average. Are the various rates freely available? I've never asked, but I know it does depend on the amount you're sending. I also think they have some set guidelines at each bank which they'll likely give you if you ask.


Actually, I did only ask at a couple and then lost the will to traipse around any more.

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Not much. By "secret number" I think you mean PIN, right? I've noticed a bit of the same here. I always try to hunch over the machines to keep prying eyes away from my stuff when I get up to the ATM. They tend to line up so closely here. The thing is, I really don't think that they care what the hell I'm doing or what the hell my PIN is; they just want me to finish quickly. I'm like you though - better to be safe than sorry.


I'm not talking about that, I mean whenever you... actually, they have those little keypads on the counter now don't they? Wow, I hadn't even realised! They used to ask for my "secret number" at the counter in the past at times.

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Banks are sh*t no matter where you go. I don't really want to piss you off further, but I bet if you check on it you'll find that your bank back home is charging you for that same wire transfer you already paid for here!


Yes, I know, but my bank at home cause me no hassles. Actually, when I lost all my money in Thailand and walked accross Bangkok and back after the bank guy on the phone incorrectly said I could get cash from their branch there, I decided to come home (Korea) a couple of days earlier to spend Christmas with my girlfriend. I told them I'd had to cut my vacation short by a week, because of his error, they checked the recording of the phone conversation, confirmed and offered me fifty quid. I called and said I wanted my week in Thailand back - the cost of a return flight. I was on a bus here at the time and quoted about 760,000won, told them it was about GBP380 and the cash was in my account the next day.

Banks at home have their faults, but they'll admit them, learn from them and show their appreciation for you as a customer.

If I'm paying 15,000won a month alone just to transfer money home, that's 180,000won per year for the bank. Do they show any appreciation of that?

Same with all Korean companies I find. Two and a half years with KT Megapass (a lot of money spent by me and a lot made by them), but you think they can send round a technician who can fix a connection problem within three or four days or less than three or more visits? I have to call them tomorrow and tell them to stuff their contract. No internet. No money. Hanaro's man got me reconnected in no time.
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Cymro



Joined: 11 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JongnoGuru wrote:
One of the biggest problems I see is that everyone seems to be fixated on and hip-mo-tised ( Shocked ) by this USD 10,000 figure. Where the eff did that come from, I wanna know.


To quote myself when I stated that figure: "The rules there are what I was told by the manager of a Seoul branch of Foreign Exchange Bank. I apologise if there are any inaccuracies."

If you want the eff's name and number, I have his card!

He, in turn, was reading it out of a little guide booklet that he had (I like to think entitled in Korean along the lines of "Managing a Bank for Dummies"). He might have simply mistranslated the figure. (But I'm pretty sure the figure wasn't specified in KRW.)
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

100 million a year...come on now...you save near to 115 000 US per year do you bellum99??? Laughing Laughing Laughing

That was funny.

As for banking, the 10 000USD limit has to be for single wire transfers and not for the whole year.

We wire about 2-3million won a month per month and this far exceeds the 10 000USD for a year. We have been doing this for close to 5 years. No worries, no problems.

As for wire fees, I pay nothing back home with my bank. I negociated that a few years ago. I pay around 8000Won here when I wire.

I had to hand in my documents the first time I wired but that was one time to open a file. Now its routine.
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JongnoGuru



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
100 million a year...come on now...you save near to 115 000 US per year do you bellum99??? Laughing Laughing Laughing

That was funny.

Homer, that 100 mil./year needn't be interpreted as every year. And it needn't be savings solely from salary. The proceeds from property and stock sales can easily exceed that number. (And 100 mil. = USD 115,000? When?)

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We wire about 2-3million won a month per month and this far exceeds the 10 000USD for a year. We have been doing this for close to 5 years. No worries, no problems.

That's the way to go if you want to avoid the "oh shit! how do we sneak this elephant out of here??" bind that so many people seem to get into.

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I had to hand in my documents the first time I wired but that was one time to open a file. Now its routine.

Also good.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Banking in Korea Reply with quote

Cymro wrote:

Today was the first time I showed my passport since telling Hana bank to F * * * Off late in 2003. KEB used to send my cash with no more than my registration card for ID, even though I didn't have an account there. BUT, when I moved up to Seoul and opened an account, they had all my past transactions on their computer system. Being up in Seoul, I haven't visited the same branch every month and the past couple I've been to have just been anal about it.


Why did you tell them to f*ck themselves?

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Seriously though, do they have any right to be writing in people's passports?


Your passport is important but I don't really see the big issue with a bank sometimes stamping an amount on the "other" page at the back of the thing. You're going to junk it after ten years, aren't you?

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Not much. By "secret number" I think you mean PIN, right? I've noticed a bit of the same here. I always try to hunch over the machines to keep prying eyes away from my stuff when I get up to the ATM. They tend to line up so closely here. The thing is, I really don't think that they care what the hell I'm doing or what the hell my PIN is; they just want me to finish quickly. I'm like you though - better to be safe than sorry.


I'm not talking about that, I mean whenever you... actually, they have those little keypads on the counter now don't they? Wow, I hadn't even realised! They used to ask for my "secret number" at the counter in the past at times.


I knew what you were talking about. I was just trying to give a slightly related example, but thanks for the clarification. From what I recall from opening accounts at many places here, they have you put your four-digit PIN on the application form. Go figure.

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Yes, I know, but my bank at home cause me no hassles. Actually, when I lost all my money in Thailand and walked accross Bangkok and back after the bank guy on the phone incorrectly said I could get cash from their branch there, I decided to come home (Korea) a couple of days earlier to spend Christmas with my girlfriend. I told them I'd had to cut my vacation short by a week, because of his error, they checked the recording of the phone conversation, confirmed and offered me fifty quid. I called and said I wanted my week in Thailand back - the cost of a return flight. I was on a bus here at the time and quoted about 760,000won, told them it was about GBP380 and the cash was in my account the next day.


Nice of your bank to have helped you this way - they probably didn't want you to go to the media. Maybe the Korean banks offer a similar service?

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Banks at home have their faults, but they'll admit them, learn from them and show their appreciation for you as a customer.

If I'm paying 15,000won a month alone just to transfer money home, that's 180,000won per year for the bank. Do they show any appreciation of that?


What kind of appreciation are you looking for?

I'm not aware of your financial dealings back home. The only thing I can suggest is for you to arrange bi-annual transfers or something similar. That way, you'll rarely have to deal with the ineptness of the Korean banks. I've been going to the same KEB in Boo-sahn monthly for nearly six years with usually no problems. Occasionally, they ask for something new. Yes, it's a bit of a hassle at times.
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Hyeon Een



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone else get a bankers cheque in their home currency and mail it home? I guess its no good if you're in a hurry for the money to arrive, but if there's no real big rush it works out cheaper than wiring it. I never bothered to get a bank account so its been convenient.

-HE
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Cymro



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Banking in Korea Reply with quote

denverdeath wrote:
Cymro wrote:

Today was the first time I showed my passport since telling Hana bank to F * * * Off late in 2003.


Why did you tell them to f*ck themselves?


Because it was the tenth month in a row that they'd asked to see my employment contract and payslip. They'd seen them before. They knew where I worked and how much I made because it all shows up in the deposit info in the transaction details on the screen in front of them. I'd heard the manager of the bank was a buddy of my hagwon director and the reason why we used that bank. (Maybe a bit far-fetched, but I was told by someone the hagwon would be notified of any strange goings on in my account, eg. a withdrawal of all the cash.) A Korean teacher came in to work one afternoon and said that while she was at the bank one of the clerks asked her to ask me to bring my contract next time. They were being truly anal with their following of procedures that surely weren't needed. Why is a single photocopy of my passport not enough? They photocopied the info page every month, and my payslip.
There was almost always a wait of anywhere between twenty minutes and an hour to get served when some clerks weren't even dealing with customers so you can imagine how depleted my patience was by the time I got to the counter each time.

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What kind of appreciation are you looking for?


Like I said, I've used a few banks and had to show my passport this week for the first time since 2003. They can (as people have said here) transfer a wad of cash when presented with your registration card with no questions asked. When it's ten minutes before closing time and you're trying to get cash transfered within a deadline to pay debts back at home and it's possible for the bank to do it, it's pretty anal of them not to. I'm a paying customer. Do me a favor and transfer my money.

Like I said, every transfer I made at KEB, even before I opened an account, can be pulled up on the computer simply because I showed my registration card. There's no need for the whole contract, payslip, passport crap.
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