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krats1976



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote:
In the end, Dumbledore had to be killed so as to make Harry, Ron and Hermione the focus of the final book.


I agree. Rowling has been telling us all along that Harry is exceptional, yet he's always rescued by Dumbledore in the end. He's got to be able to stand alone in the last book.

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The idea of the final book not being set at Hogwarts is interesting, but I think Rowling will place a lot of the book's events there, maybe half the novel. If not, a lot of the characters will either not appear, or appear outside of the school for contrived (hey! that's 3 times I've written that word) reasons.


I think McGonagall will convince the trustees to keep the school open and the majority of the story will take place there. .... but don't quote me on that OK? Wink
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Freezer Burn



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did anyone read the book before the movie came out, if yes do you picture the characters the same as you originally saw them before the movies or have the characters in the movies become your pictures?

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Dan The Chainsawman



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dumbledor ain't dead. Its all a scam to con voldemort. Now that Dumbledor has Snape inside he is secretly gathering his forces waiting for just the right moment to drop the hammer on Voldemort's sorry butt. Old Harry is going to be captured by Voldemorte and escape at just the last second and waste him.

Or I could be wrong.
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matthewwoodford



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From a plot point of view, Dumbledore had to die so that Harry could grow up. I reckon Snape probably had no choice but to kill Dumbledore (to protect Malfoy?) and possibly Dumbledore even knew it had to happen for reasons not revealed.

It's good the way Rowling develops Harry's character from kid to teenager to adult. I can't think of any other author who has tried to do that over a series.

If there's only going to be one more book though, Harry's chances of killing Voldemort look pretty slim to me. He can barely even do non-verbal spells. Rowling passed over whatever else went on in Defence Against the Dark Arts classes but it doesn't look as though anyone mastered anything else really important. Also there's 3 horcruxes still to find, and some mystery over what happened to the one Dumbledore and Harry found. Perhaps Snape will have to change sides again to help Harry at the last minute? - but Harry's got to achieve something big on his own if only not to disappoint the fans, plus the father figures have to have been got rid of for some good reason.

Oh well, 2 more years to wait...
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SuperHero



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started reading it last night at 10, went to bed at 1:00 got up this mornig and cussed my computer and pinnacle studio for screwing up another authoring DVD project all day but managed to finish the book just now


One word:

snogging

I love it. Never heard the word before but I must say that was probably the best part - all the snogging.
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matthewwoodford



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So when Snape killed Dumbledore did he perhaps make a horcrux?
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ChimpumCallao



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read it a little haphazerdly (at work!) and I thought it was a little slow but pretty darn good at the end.


One question...where does it explicitly say that Ron and Hermione get together? Is it just implied at the end when Ron is holding her at the end of the funeral? I don't recall them snogging.

As for the other question, I saw the movies first so I picture them mostly as the actors.

Too bad Snape turned out to be a true Death Eater. He was sexy. Maybe he will get ultimate redemption in the last book? Dumbledore couldnt have completely trusted him so much untless he knew something everyone else didnt. Then again, Snape is a master of oclumency...

hmmmmm
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krats1976



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freezer Burn wrote:
Did anyone read the book before the movie came out, if yes do you picture the characters the same as you originally saw them before the movies or have the characters in the movies become your pictures?


Most of them I do. The exceptions are Dumbledore, Lupin and Sirius. For some reason, I revert to my original images of them when I re-read the books.


SuperHero wrote:

One word:

snogging


Laughing Laughing Laughing


matthewwoodford wrote:

So when Snape killed Dumbledore did he perhaps make a horcrux?


I don't think so. Isn't there somewhere (can't remember now) where Voldemort talks about the measures he's taken to keep from dying as being what others would consider unnatural? I would think Dumbledore would be in that group.

Also, after book 5, I read an interview with Rowling (or something). People had been asking her if Sirius was really dead or if he would somehow come back. She said something about how he wouldn't because she wanted to send the message that things don't always turn out happy in the end. So, I think if Sirius is staying dead, so is Dumbledore.


ChimpumCallao wrote:


One question...where does it explicitly say that Ron and Hermione get together? Is it just implied at the end when Ron is holding her at the end of the funeral? I don't recall them snogging.


It doesn't. I think was just a tantalizing little hint intended to drive us nuts over the next 2 years. Evil or Very Mad
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blunder1983



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing that does annoy me, is that if something is mentioned near the start of the book you can GUARANTEE its gonna be used at some point

I.e

Side by side apparition
Inferni
Horcrux(although these i'll allow as its kinda only brought about by their discovery)

Same with all the books. I'd love it if she introduced something which then only appeared a few books later.
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Freezer Burn



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To become a horacrux you had to have killed someone before, but is that murder or just killed someone in retaliation to something.
I think Sirius wont be back but there will be some sort've communication with him to help him with his task, I bet there will be a "im all alone in this battle" attitude which will probably get boring as in book 5.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dumbledore will be back, but only as a portrait.

As for loose threads, it's never expicitly mentioned why exactly Dumbledore assigned Snape to be the Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher, is it?

Sparkles*_*
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matthewwoodford



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought making a horcrux meant murdering someone else. Murder makes you lose part of your soul, and if you know how you can store the part that split off into some item - not just any item - and that's the horcrux. Hence when Snape killed Dumbledore he could have made a horcrux of his own soul.


Of course Rowling could write it any number of ways so that Dumbledore turns out not to be dead after all but, she's already shown she can kill off major characters when she killed off Sirius and used his death to grow Harry as a character, plus no one besides Harry ever survived an Avada Kedavra curse, plus Dumbledore's portrait has already appeared in the headmaster's room.


Colour me a great big Harry Potter nerd. Laughing
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ChimpumCallao



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

matthewwoodford wrote:
I thought making a horcrux meant murdering someone else. Murder makes you lose part of your soul, and if you know how you can store the part that split off into some item - not just any item - and that's the horcrux. Hence when Snape killed Dumbledore he could have made a horcrux of his own soul.



Colour me a great big Harry Potter nerd. :lol:


Word. But I dont think that everytime you kill someone you make a horocrux. You can choose to make one. It says that V-mort has made 6 horocruxes, but I assume he has killed many more. Plus his death eaters have killed as well. That is not to say Snape COULDNT have made a horocrux, but its unlikely.

I thought the part with Tonks and Lupin, unless there is a reason for their getting together in the seventh book was just a waste of time. And corny as hell.

Did anyone find Harry Potter breaking up with Ginny very Spiderman-ish? It just means they'll get back together after he beats Voldemort.

Last thing, do ANY of the teachers at Hogwarts have anything resembling a social life or even relationships? They're all single and seemingly friendless, except Hagrid who I presume is still getting some giantess loving. Honestly though, what witch wouldnt want to be with the greatest wizard ever and headmaster of Hogwarts? As far as the movies are concerned McGonagore is a fly looking old lady. Do they take a vow of celibacy?

(yes, i know my spelling is abysmal)
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Thunndarr



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Things that I'm looking for in the final book.

The redemption of Snape. We'll find out why Dumbledore trusted him and why Snape came back to the good side. And probably that Dumbledore had previously asked Snape to kill him so that Malfoy wouldn't have to. In any case, for Snape to be truly evil, Dumbledore would have had to be wrong about him, and Voldemort would have to be right. I do not choose to believe that Voldemort is a better judge of character than Dumbledore.

Wormtail. Dumbledore mentioned something about the significance of one of Voldemort's supporters being in debt to Harry Potter, from when Harry spared his life in Book 3. I'm also curious about Wormtail's silver hand.

Norbert the dragon. Gotta hear from him.

Harry's blood in Voldemort's veins. If you'll recall from Book 4, when Harry mentioned this to Dumbledore, Dumbledore get's a 'triumphant' look on his face, albeit briefly.

Malfoy. I'm interested to see the changes in his character after what happened at the end of the book. I don't think being evil's all he thought it would be. I'm curious where this will lead him.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thunndarr wrote:

Harry's blood in Voldemort's veins. If you'll recall from Book 4, when Harry mentioned this to Dumbledore, Dumbledore get's a 'triumphant' look on his face, albeit briefly.


Accio my blood!

Sparkles*_*
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