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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 7:02 am Post subject: Work Makes Most Koreans Sick |
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Work Makes Most Koreans Sick
An overwhelming majority of Korean office workers complain work is making them chronically sick, and three out of 10 have quit their jobs due to ill health, if an unrepresentative survey is anything to go by.
In the latest in a string of online polls, job search website Job Korea found that of 560 office workers, 75.7 percent or 424 said they contracted a chronic illness at work. Of these, 40 percent complained work made them literally sick to the stomach, citing gastric ulcers, stomachache, constipation and diarrhea, followed by stress-related trouble with 26.4 percent, and bone and muscle problems with 17 percent.
Those who suffered headaches and depression accounted for 5.6 percent each, and some 1.9 percent had respiratory trouble. About 27 percent said that they had resigned over health problems, with more men (29.8 percent) than women (21.7 percent) throwing in the towel.
Chosun Ilbo (July 28, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200507/200507280023.html |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 7:07 am Post subject: |
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Stomach issues? It is hard to balance so much drinking and a steady job, you know...
This story reminds me of the stories on my campus while a grad student. The undergrads were complaining that their schedules left them no time for anything, not even to keep up with their classes. A professor responded, in the campus newspaper, that they just needed to stop partying so much and better organize their time and prioritize their lives... |
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jlb
Joined: 18 Sep 2003
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 7:58 am Post subject: Not surprised |
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At the hagwon I worked at, I thought my job was crappy but it was nothing compared to the Koreans. After I left, they had to stay and make new murals for the walls, go in the van to take kids home, make phone calls to parents, endless meetings, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if any of them didn't have an ulcer or depression after a year of that! The kicker is that they got paid half of what I did. |
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Naruto
Joined: 07 Jul 2005 Location: Irvine, CA
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:31 am Post subject: |
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Stress is the leading caus of work related illness and injuries. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Considering culture shock and the disadvantage many foreigners have while working in Korea, should not a lot of foreigners feel sick and tired.
Work Makes Most Koreans Sick
About 27 percent said that they had resigned over health problems, with more men (29.8 percent) than women (21.7 percent) throwing in the towel.
Chosun Ilbo (July 28, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200507/200507280023.html
Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
Overall living conditions, including education, housing, medical care, transportation, immigration, and access to the Internet are pointed to as inconveniences. Not only inconveniences caused by different systems and customs in Korea, but also special discriminating practices,... are ubiquitous. "Even though Korea has achieved some degree of globalization in going abroad, it has still a long way to go for globalization in embracing foreigners inward," said foreigners residing in Korea. An official in the International Cooperation Division of Seoul City admitted, "The same complaints regarding visas, transportation, education, and environment are raised every year without being solved, due to the lack of cooperation from government agencies involved and their passive attitudes."
by Jae-Dong Yu and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com (July 4, 2004)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004070522448
For Housing Rentals, Foreigners Easy Victims
By Byun Duk-kun, Korea Times (August 28, 2003)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200308/kt2003082818233111970.htm
"No chair for foreigner" GM Daewoo head told
by Kim Tae-jin and Lee Ho-jeong, JoongAng Daily (January 18, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200501/17/200501172228551609900090509051.html
Discrimination
Having taught English conversation, there have been too many students that have withdrawn from this writer's class simply because of the color of their instructor's skin. This Korean-American has personally experienced the deep discrimination/racism of Korea, and it is painful.
Editorials/Columns, Chosun Ilbo (December 25, 2002)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200212/200212250002.html
[LETTERS TO THE EDITOR] Giving foreigners here a hard time
by Nathan Drescher
Korea Herald (October 13, 2004)
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2004/10/13/200410130012.asp |
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matthewwoodford

Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Location: Location, location, location.
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Gopher wrote: |
Stomach issues? It is hard to balance so much drinking and a steady job, you know... |
Especially when you're expected to go out every night drinking with the boss and/or co-workers, or be seen as a misfit. |
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junkmail
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:25 am Post subject: |
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Real Reality wrote: |
Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
Overall living conditions, including education, housing, medical care, transportation, immigration, and access to the Internet are pointed to as inconveniences. |
Lack of transport, internet access and medical care in Korea?! Is that a joke? The visa process is not difficult compared to many countries.
You see as a foreigner, you have a choice. Koreans don't. It is for them to do something about it, but many of them do get a crap deal. |
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hellofaniceguy

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: On your computer screen!
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:48 am Post subject: Re: Not surprised |
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jlb wrote: |
At the hagwon I worked at, I thought my job was crappy but it was nothing compared to the Koreans. After I left, they had to stay and make new murals for the walls, go in the van to take kids home, make phone calls to parents, endless meetings, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if any of them didn't have an ulcer or depression after a year of that! The kicker is that they got paid half of what I did. |
And KT's DON'T have to put up with so much BS! But they ENJOY being screwed over it sure seems....none of them have the balls to stand up and demand better pay and working conditions. And why??
Yet they will complain to each other, complain to FT's and curse wangja behind his/her back!
KT's have the power....DON'T work and if the hakwon has no KT's.....things will get better....and new KT's looking for work should NOT work for wangja until better wages and conditions are in place! What is wrong with you KT's!?!?
I thought you all went to college to better your live and to use your education?
Well then...you deserve what you ask for and get. Treated badly. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:01 am Post subject: Re: Not surprised |
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hellofaniceguy wrote: |
jlb wrote: |
At the hagwon I worked at, I thought my job was crappy but it was nothing compared to the Koreans. After I left, they had to stay and make new murals for the walls, go in the van to take kids home, make phone calls to parents, endless meetings, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if any of them didn't have an ulcer or depression after a year of that! The kicker is that they got paid half of what I did. |
And KT's DON'T have to put up with so much BS! But they ENJOY being screwed over it sure seems....none of them have the balls to stand up and demand better pay and working conditions. And why??
Yet they will complain to each other, complain to FT's and curse wangja behind his/her back!
KT's have the power....DON'T work and if the hakwon has no KT's.....things will get better....and new KT's looking for work should NOT work for wangja until better wages and conditions are in place! What is wrong with you KT's!?!?
I thought you all went to college to better your live and to use your education?
Well then...you deserve what you ask for and get. Treated badly. |
Unfortunately, korean culture hardly prepares them to do such a thing, and I think we all realise that.
Loyalty to the company and thus the country's competitive economy is patriotic: putting in maximum effort for a successful korea to rival Japan is their deepest instinct.
Individualism, going out on a limb to make a point does just not gel with their group mentality, nor letting the side down, not being a team player or apparently betraying/jeopardising the success of your firm by selfish demands.
The individual is sacrificed to the collective. While we scorn it, it is indeed such a patriotic pulling to gether that made korea the economic/prosperous powerhouse it is today.
Confrontational stand off is not their way either, neither is 'desertion" (leaving a job) or openly forcing someone to get what you want- (behind the scenes manipulation, maybe.)
Saddest thing is that their devotion is usually simply taken for granted/ unnapreciated/abused by Korean bosses.
What is needed is serious workplace law enforcement, to save Koreans from themselves.
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:02 am Post subject: |
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matthewwoodford wrote: |
Gopher wrote: |
Stomach issues? It is hard to balance so much drinking and a steady job, you know... |
Especially when you're expected to go out every night drinking with the boss and/or co-workers, or be seen as a misfit. |
You know? Cultural issues like that are not gigantic issues. They result from millions of people making individual decisions to conform everyday... |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:25 am Post subject: |
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junkmail wrote: |
Real Reality wrote: |
Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
Overall living conditions, including education, housing, medical care, transportation, immigration, and access to the Internet are pointed to as inconveniences. |
Lack of transport, internet access and medical care in Korea?! Is that a joke? The visa process is not difficult compared to many countries. You see as a foreigner, you have a choice. Koreans don't. It is for them to do something about it, but many of them do get a crap deal. |
Transportation Unfriendly to Foreigners
Foreigners' dissatisfaction with South Korea's transportation system has increased from a year earlier, a recent foreigners' living environment satisfaction survey showed. Foreigners picked transportation as the area that the Korean government should focus on trailed by living environment, education, environment, medical services, visa and immigration service and leisure services. "To grow into a Northeast Asian economic hub in which foreigners do not encounter any inconveniences in either living and working, a nationwide effort to tackle transportation problems is required," said Hwang Gyu-joon, head of the investment environment improvement team of Invest Korea. "Efforts include observing traffic rules by Korean drivers and improving foreign-language public transportation services and signboards by the government," he added.
by Kim Sung-jin, Korea Times (July 11, 2005)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200507/kt2005071118202210160.htm
Foreigners Excluded From Korean Sites
... non-Korean residents are not allowed to subscribe to most Web sites, including the country's biggest portals. None of Korea's top five most popular portals -- Naver, Daum, Nate, Yahoo Korea and Paran -- provides an English-language introduction to people who want to be members.
In order to subscribe to the sites, foreigners must learn Korean or enlist the help of Korean friends to fill out tons of personal information required by the portals. Foreigners who are ready to go through the lengthy registration process, however, will be frustrated again to find that the Web portals cannot identify foreign residency numbers.
By Kim Tae-gyu, Korea Times (June 20, 2005)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/tech/200506/kt2005062017334312350.htm
http://photo.hankooki.com/gisaphoto/20050620/vnok200506201904541Froeigners2%20copy.jpg
Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
"A few days ago, the medical bill was over 100 thousand won for a simple treatment for a cold at a hospital. Koreans didn't seem to pay that much and I wonder whether hospitals charge high prices because I am a foreigner."
by Jae-Dong Yu and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com (July 4, 2004)
Site Address: http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004070522448
Chinese students face local woes
"We are not illegal immigrants. We came to learn Korean to get better and more successful jobs," said Pao Yang, the deputy head of an association of Chinese students in Korea and a postgraduate from Yanbian University. "But every time we visit the Immigration Bureau to renew our visas, we are treated like criminals." Chinese students have to renew their visas every six months, while students of other nationalities don't, he said.
by Im Jang-hyuk and Jeong Kang-hyun
JoongAng Daily (November 9, 2004)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200411/09/200411092231558109900092309231.html |
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junkmail
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:36 am Post subject: |
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OK it's interesting reading but I wonder if these people have lived in many other countries.
I find public transport here more user friendly than many of the countries I've visited partly because it exists at all here.
Obviously as an English speaker it's less convenient than English speaking countries but then so is France.
Yahoo Korea is in Korean. So what though. I use Yahoo UK or the US site even in Korea. I can't think why I'd want a Korean portal unless I spoke Korean. They should probably work on that but it's not that bad. Again, many countries simply don't have high speed internet access.
Medical care. I've had cheap experiences, but then I'm legal and have proper insurance.
I think Korea has a very long way to go, but it definitely is getting there. There are much, much harder countries from an ex-pat perspective. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:26 am Post subject: |
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Online polls are garbage, no? The article even says they're 'unrepresentative', which is a nice way of saying they're as useful to a statistician as a spoon is to a falling turtle. |
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