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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice guy generally means average looking or below average looking.

Men who are good looking usually have a sense of arrogance or are just plain mean at times. Simply put women will prefer good looking mean and

people with confidence and once again good looking men know they are good looking and are confident.

This is generally overall. I mean some nasty ugly guys can still get women with confidence and arrogance.
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Demonicat



Joined: 18 Nov 2004
Location: Suwon

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not necesarily true, some guys like some girls have what I have learned to call the "ugly ducking" syndrome. Many people were fat, skinny, awkard, acne ridden, etc. during secondary school. As a result they make every effort in their adult hood to look better and be in better shape- however, they never see themselves as anything but the goofy kid. Many drop dead gorgeous people are incredibly nice as a result of this- in a sad way. Pay no attention to the fact that I'm a bodybuilder Rolling Eyes
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

simone wrote:
Sounds like a "negative hit"... when done by an otherwise nice guy it comes across as sincere. You probably end up seeming well balanced between doormat and jerk....etc.



Thanks for the kind words. I wouldn't place myself "between doormat and a jerk," even when experimenting with pickup lines. But perhaps you read my post and really got to know me...

Men certainly make bad choices with women, and a lot of men are ruined by the so-called Madonna-*beep* dichotomy. But women can be scary calculators with no apparent rationality underneath it all, and, like Simone's post suggests, they have a whole range of complex but notably harsh classifications for men like "nice guy," "doormat," "jerk," and I even heard "tie" and "transition man" once. And let's not forget "boytoy" for the adventerous women out there. Wink

I love the right kind of women, but I have learned to be wary of all of them. And I do not listen to their words when they talk about "nice guys" or "classy guys" -- I just don't have any sympathy when they cry about this issue -- and, in any case, it's much more instructive to watch what they do rather than listen to what they say...Take it for what it's worth.


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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:17 am    Post subject: Re: friends and mystery men Reply with quote

Hwajangsil Ajumma wrote:
Qinella wrote:
Sounds like a moron to me. Most people on reality shows really are morons. They say stupid things like, "You know, a lot of people are afraid of gays and all, but I'm not one of those people. I treat them like regular people." Ooookaaaayyyy.


So you've been watching Manhunt too? Awesome!


Yeah, that Kevin P. has me mystified. He was also on (I swear the only episode I watched of) ARE YOU HOT? And I was like.. isn't he a professional model and also on another TV show?

I can't believe what I'm saying. In the US I didn't even have any channels at all. Now, I watch Oprah. Sigh...

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I met my husband when he swaggered into my hwajangsil, spat on the floor before I could remove my forehead from the flightpath, and then proceeded to beat me with his handuhpone when I yelled at him for peeing on the floor. It was love at first sight.


That's hot.
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simone



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
simone wrote:
Sounds like a "negative hit"... when done by an otherwise nice guy it comes across as sincere. You probably end up seeming well balanced between doormat and jerk....etc.



Thanks for the kind words. I wouldn't place myself "between doormat and a jerk," even when experimenting with pickup lines. But perhaps you read my post and really got to know me...


I love the right kind of women, but I have learned to be wary of all of them. And I do not listen to their words when they talk about "nice guys" or "classy guys" -- I just don't have any sympathy when they cry about this issue -- and, in any case, it's much more instructive to watch what they do rather than listen to what they say...Take it for what it's worth.



Hey, I didn't mean you come across as a balance between jerk and nice guy, I meant that something like that comes across as out of character when used by a generally sincere, friendly fellow. It's unsettling, and a but mysterious -- They're wondering what your intentions are, and that's right where you want them.

You're right to watch what they do, not what they say, in this context.

Seriously, I *am* a happily married woman -- my guy is nice to waitresses and old people (much nicer than I am naturally, but I'm trying to live up to his example) and a great friend to lots of people. But he won't let me get away with shit, and always calls me on it when he thinks I'm wrong. I do the same with him, but not always so directly... It seems to work best when it appears he's learned his lessons for himself. Wink (Like BackUP your work files! If I remind him to, he gets annoyed, but once he loses something important, he learns. I seem to be able to handle criticism a bit easier.)

But single women who *might* be interested in you aren't going to tell you how they want you to be. Men wish they would, but they never will. I tell my single guy friends to go to www.askmen.com and try out "Doc Love's" columns. He really explains it very well... being a challenge is not about being a "nice guy" or a "jerk", it's more about pacing.

It's like building muscle - you work it in the gym, making tears in the tissues, and then you need to rest it to let it build. You go on a date, you spend some great time together, and then you wait a week before seeing them again. No long phone conversations, just make a plan, and see them then.

How can someone think longingly about you in your absence if you never go away?

-- caveat: Of course, I'm not talking about cruising for one night stands here... more like long term relationships, possibility with an eye to marriage. There are other columns on Askmen for that.

-- No, I have no stock interest in it the website, but I know the guy who created it. We were in grad school together. He's sold off his interest now, quite profitably. The site is doing well....
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brento1138



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:40 pm    Post subject: Re: friends and mystery men Reply with quote

Hot girls simply don't like boring guys. They want challenge...
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

simone wrote:
Hey, I didn't mean you come across as a balance between jerk and nice guy, I meant that something like that comes across as out of character when used by a generally sincere, friendly fellow. It's unsettling, and a but mysterious -- They're wondering what your intentions are, and that's right where you want them.

You're right to watch what they do, not what they say, in this context.

Seriously, I *am* a happily married woman -- my guy is nice to waitresses and old people (much nicer than I am naturally, but I'm trying to live up to his example) and a great friend to lots of people. But he won't let me get away with *beep*, and always calls me on it when he thinks I'm wrong. I do the same with him, but not always so directly... It seems to work best when it appears he's learned his lessons for himself. Wink (Like BackUP your work files! If I remind him to, he gets annoyed, but once he loses something important, he learns. I seem to be able to handle criticism a bit easier.)

But single women who *might* be interested in you aren't going to tell you how they want you to be. Men wish they would, but they never will. I tell my single guy friends to go to www.askmen.com and try out "Doc Love's" columns. He really explains it very well... being a challenge is not about being a "nice guy" or a "jerk", it's more about pacing.

It's like building muscle - you work it in the gym, making tears in the tissues, and then you need to rest it to let it build. You go on a date, you spend some great time together, and then you wait a week before seeing them again. No long phone conversations, just make a plan, and see them then.

How can someone think longingly about you in your absence if you never go away?

-- caveat: Of course, I'm not talking about cruising for one night stands here... more like long term relationships, possibility with an eye to marriage. There are other columns on Askmen for that.

-- No, I have no stock interest in it the website, but I know the guy who created it. We were in grad school together. He's sold off his interest now, quite profitably. The site is doing well....


Ahh, the impersonal "you." I guess coming as it did on the heels of the first sentence made it open to misinterpretation. My bad.

I wasn't too comfortable saying things like "sounds like you're really fucked up" to a woman I just met, but it did prove to be one of the most effective ways to maintain a conversation and go from there when I was picking up women in bars. Speaking simply to them almost universally fails. They're a lot like kittens: you have to know how to dangle the string and keep it just out of reach...

I agree with a lot of what you're saying and, if I were inclined to spend all of my time trying to figure out relationships I'd probably read columns at askmen.com, but for me at least, it's really boring, and I'm not sure that marriage is the way to go. I believe you that you are happily married, and I'm glad for you, but I don't know too many other people who are, my grandparents notwithstanding. I do what I do and if I meet someone who's interested in what I am then that's great, if not, I enjoy being alone, too, and sex is never really a problem to find...
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fusionbarnone



Joined: 31 May 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice guys run last on a Saturday nite. That's because they're not playing to win and have no idea where to start. This isn't considered as surprising since most guys may have been taught by their own mums how to "respect", women, by being nice; according to dating research.

Thus if women like a "challenge": they tend to call the losers, friends.

Friends "help" commiserate over the A@#$ guy (he's the ��challenge�� guy who gets some) the miffed/distressed/grieving lady in question, failed to help/change (bend to her will), etc. That job (being nice) is for real girl-friends (genetically female) not for guys. Want examples of successful bad guys? Study, Motley Crue.

The experts further state, the person who invests the most(money, time, thoughtful acts, etc) in a relationship has the most to lose while, the person who receives the most and contributes least, obviously, has the least to lose. The person who invests nothing or very little is predicted therefore to feels no qualms or emotional attachment about dumping the heavily indebted/invested entity (sucker who was too nice or over-accommodating). Be the Alpha male is the message.

In Korea, when K-gals refer to someone as a friend, that person is their nominated male-friend (waiter/gatherer male who buys the drinks, drives her around, etc, while she sits in the bar collecting digits and making eye contact). A very un-alpha title when you discover their other designations; lover (he's the guy they call for jollies after the friend has blown his money and his time getting her, ��ready��) and the boyfriend (husband-provider potential) for their, ubiquitous, "other", friends.

During my first month in ROK, almost had this one pulled (cultural differences; she said) and, to top it off, the sister was trying to bleed(empty my wallet?????) me too. Got rid of them, real fast. While it lasted I had rare and memorable experiences with them both. ��I may be slow, but I catch on real quick��, (Mohammad Ali)

There was also a saying that went, "a wife will either make you very happy or a, philosopher".(Marcus Aurelius)

Taking that jewel of advice one step further in the plasma screen age; beware of coercion through listening to sad/introspective pop songs which will only reinforce/delay/hinder an otherwise virile chap's ability to compete. Life's too short to appreciate some else's rendition of losing; leave that to when you celebrate your 190th birthday, I say.

It��s a serious competition after all therefore being confident/sure-of-oneself/persistent without being desperate is, everything. Followed up by "swiftly" seeing the lady home and safely (eliminate the chances of other attentive would-be suitors).

Have you ever dedicated a Fri/Sat nite to reversing everything thing you were told that constituted nice behavior, for the very opposite? Askmen.com provides a wealth of tactics.

Isn't it better to be a one-thump-chump rather than a no-thump-chump? One, after all, improves with study and hands-on practice. If a chap understands the needs of women, he will most surely receive their undiluted attention and requests for encores, and become a truly ��valued�� friend (ladies will spend/invest money in him).

Some male must be around to "appreciate" the Prom Queen after hours; it may as well be you. Cheers to all the ladies in the world who provide life with spice.

Simone offers excellent insight into the "scoring" reality everywhere. Viva positive selfishness.
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fusionbarnone



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, Socrates and not Marcus provided that snippet. Marcus was the guy married to a player wife for a queen and became quite a philosopher. The son Commodus, in the movie Gladiator, was rumored to have been the son of a gladiator.
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jajdude



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fusion, have you been reading captain kirk's posts?

you have a similar style
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Jensen



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skippy wrote:
...Men who are good looking...



...tend towards homosexuality Very Happy
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The Man known as The Man



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:41 pm    Post subject: Re: friends and mystery men Reply with quote

Hwajangsil Ajumma wrote:
Qinella wrote:
Sounds like a moron to me. Most people on reality shows really are morons. They say stupid things like, "You know, a lot of people are afraid of gays and all, but I'm not one of those people. I treat them like regular people." Ooookaaaayyyy.


So you've been watching Manhunt too? Awesome!

I met my husband when he swaggered into my hwajangsil, spat on the floor before I could remove my forehead from the flightpath, and then proceeded to beat me with his handuhpone when I yelled at him for peeing on the floor. It was love at first sight.


He is one lucky man
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