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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| treat muslims and muslim nations with the respect that they deserve, stop the ongoing policy of divide, destabilize and conquer that we've been using against them for decades. |
Please expand on this divide and conquer policy? Other parts of the world have gotten over the legacy of colonialism and have thrived. The Islamic world has failed, miserably, and they have only to look in the mirror to find who is to blame for that. Although, it's much easier to blame whitey for your own shortcomings. |
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dbee
Joined: 29 Dec 2004
Location: korea
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:54 am Post subject: |
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As usual in the Arab world, everyone knew what was happening and no one said a thing. The British and American pilots flying the pointless southern "no-fly" zone �� allegedly to protect Iraq's minorities �� could clearly see the receding waters of the Marsh. The Arab regimes remained silent. Neither Mubarak nor Arafat nor Assad nor Fahd uttered the mildest word of criticism, any more than they did when the Kurds were gassed.
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... it was only sixty years ago that millions of jews, gypsies, homosexuals, pacifists and russians were sent to the gas chambers in the heart of the european continent.
Everybody knew what was happening but no-one was prepared to challenge hitler or save large numbers of refugees from their fate by accepting them as refugees.
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Really lets see the US defended MUSLIM Kurds from Saddam and defended KOSOVO from Slobidan.
The US has given 2 B a year to Egypt. The US has had good relations with Indonesia and Pakistan , those are second and third and fourth biggest muslim nations.
by the way in Indonesia the US supported the muslims against the communists.
The US also saved muslims in Kuwait.
The US has good relations w/ India where there are more muslims than anywhere else.
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... these are all isolated cases that are not indicative of a trend. Just cause someone spends mon and tue handing out bread to the poor, doesn't mean they can spend the rest of the week strong-arming citizens and still remain a friend of the community. If that was the case then the mafia would be role-models.
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Please expand on this divide and conquer policy?
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... there's an interesting article on the subject here, which could explain better than I could I'm sure.
http://counterpunch.org/hallinan07142004.html
just to take a few points though...
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Sir Ronald Storrs, the first Governor of Jerusalem, certainly had no illusions about what a "Jewish homeland" in Palestine meant for the British Empire: "It will form for England," he said, "a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism."
Ireland was where the English invented the tactic of divide and conquer, and where the devastating effectiveness of using foreign settlers to drive a wedge between the colonial rulers and the colonized made it a template for worldwide imperial rule.
The Protestant privileges were a constant sore point with the native Irish; although in fact, most Protestants were little better off than their Catholic neighbors. Rents were uniformly onerous, regardless of religion.
Indeed, there were numerous cases where Protestants and Catholics united to protest exorbitant rents, but in virtually every case, the authorities successfully used religion and privilege to split such alliances. The Orange Order, the organization most responsible for sectarian politics in the North today, was originally formed in 1795 to break a Catholic-Protestant rent strike.
Divide and conquer was 19th and early 20th century colonialism's single most successful tactic of domination. It was also a disaster, one which still echoes in civil wars and regional tensions across the globe. This latter lesson does not appear to be one the Israelis have paid much attention to. As a system of rule, division and privilege may work in the short run, but over time it engenders nothing but hatred. These polices, according to Lt. Gen. Moshe Yaalon, foment "terror," adding, "In tactical decisions, we are operating contrary to our strategic interests."
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:56 am Post subject: |
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Really lets see the US defended MUSLIM Kurds from Saddam and defended KOSOVO from Slobidan.
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Clinton aided muslim terrorists against traditional allies, the Serbians. they should have learned from them instead.
Serbia fought islamic terrorism for 500 years: they were invaded by the Islamic Ottoman empire in 1389, began to regain power throughout the 19th century, and by 1878 they'd regained their independence.
Kosovo has always been a region of Serbia. It has never been part of Albania. The Serbs have been living in the territory of Kosovo and Metohija since the 6th century. That territory is of exceptional importance for the Serbian history and for the cultural-civilizational identity of Serbia. Many Serbian cultural monuments are situated in Kosovo and Metohija (200 medieval churches, many now burned to the ground by Muslims).
Albanian muslim settlers (descended from the Islamic invasion of the 13th c) declared juhad, a holocaust of non-muslims against the Serbian govt in 1999 to make kosovo an independent muslim state/ addition to "greater albania". Milosevic ordered Serbian army to deport Muslims back to Albania.The USA and UN then helped the muslims in a massive genocide of Serbians- former allies who had so loyally fought against hitler, for example.
The west has been so busy scoring own goals, they have been asking for the terrorism to come to their doorsteps. And now it has- and still they try to placate and pander to it. In deep denial. Perhaps now, with all western countries hosting significantly large muslim communities, they have no choice any longer.
The invasion of Iraq is not the cause of Islamic terorism. it stretches unabated back for centuries.. and is directly ordered, and fostered by the teachings of the Koran. |
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dbee
Joined: 29 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:00 am Post subject: |
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Milosevic ordered Serbian army to deport Muslims back to Albania.
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... quite unfortunte then that many of these deportees ended up in large containers at the bottom of lakes, or buried in forests just outside of large military bases. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:24 am Post subject: |
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Milosevic ordered Serbian army to deport Muslims back to Albania.
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... quite unfortunte then that many of these deportees ended up in large containers at the bottom of lakes, or buried in forests just outside of large military bases. |
You ignore the centuries of aggression against serbians by Muslims. You also ignore the fact that after the UN handed Kosovo to muslims, they ethnically cleansed the entire area of not only ethnic serbs but also of Romany gypsies and all non muslims, creating an unprecedented refugee problem in the region.
muslims were originally allowed to settle in kosovo under the rule of Tito. they were given sanctuary and allowed all religious freedoms, as refugees. After multiplying rapidly they sparked a war, and have now gotten away with partitioning a formerly christian country, and robbed serbia of a province- with the full backing of the west.
Your words dbee- "divide, destabilize and conquer" perfectly describes the seemingly unstoppable march of Islam.
The same pattern is, and will be repeated over and over until Islam has entirely carved up the globe.
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| it stretches unabated back for centuries.. and is directly ordered, and fostered by the teachings of the Koran. |
And until people understand this fact, we haven't a hope in hell of defeating Islamic terrorism. |
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dbee
Joined: 29 Dec 2004
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The same pattern is, and will be repeated over and over until Islam has entirely carved up the globe.
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... only fifty years ago the west was experiencing the exact same problem. We had a race of people that were committing terrorist acts against the established order. They were murdering civilians and committing acts of terror, and what's more, they were citing their religious texts as justification of their acts.
Only they weren't muslim, they were jews. The 'stern gang' et al. were roundly castigated in the international media as vicious thugs and terrorists. Later on we decided that actually the jews were our friends, and so we granted them their wishes (at the expense of other peoples). The problem was then solved (or so we thought).
hinduism has to be one of the world's most benign religions. Here you have an ancient teaching which isn't proselytised (preached), has no priests or hierarchical structure, it has no holy texts, it has over 3000 gods one of which is a benevolent half-man, half-elephant which flies around on a magical bull. Yet India (mostly hindu) is the home to some of the worlds worst religious conflicts, which often take the form of armed gangs roaming cities and towns, strangling and beating to death whoever happens to be from the 'enemy' religion at the time (sometimes muslims, sometimes sikhs etc...)
before hitler came to power in germany, clashes between his extremist SA and the opposite extremist communists were a regular occurance. The members of these organisations were thugs, murders and criminals, who just happened to have a 'respectable' cause to fight for at the time.
So why then, when hitler came to power, did he immediately imprison or murder only the dissidents, intellectuals and pacifists that stood against him?
What did he do with the murdering communists that had committed such violent acts against his own hired thugs and murderers (among others). Hitler knew something which it would benefit the rest of us to learn. He knew that the extremist/violent communist and the extremist/violent fascist have much more in common with each other, than either of them have in common with the moderates of their own party. They think alike, see the world in the same manner, they'll both respond in the same manner to circumstances. Instead of murdering them or imprisoning them, hitler inducted these men into his own SA and SS.
In the same way extremists of all brand are a problem of moderates everywhere, whether they be muslim moderates, christian moderates etc... . By declaring that all muslims are evil, you are playing into the hands of the people who want to see war and confrontation. Don't draw the line between muslim/jew/christian/hindu, you draw the line between people who want to live in peace and see their children live in a world free from strife and war, and other people who'd prefer to do away with the system as we know it, and to start all over again. |
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