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igotthisguitar
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 Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:24 pm Post subject: London Bombings Mastermind is MI6 Asset |
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London Bombings Mastermind is MI6 Asset 
FOX News | July 30, 2005
On FOX News Channel's Day Side, Terrorism Expert John Loftus revealed that Haroon Rashid Aswat, the suspect wanted by British Police for "masterminding" the July 7th London bombings and July 21st attempted bombings is in fact an asset of MI6, the British Secret Service.
According to Loftus, Aswat has been under the protection of MI6 for many years.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/London_attack/mastermind_mi6_asset.htm |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| Hmmm. Your avatar does NOT screw up this one. What is going on? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| Don't ever assume that intelligence services have control over the behavior of their so-called assets. That's a rookie error. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:12 am Post subject: |
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Interesting stuff. However, if you pay close attention to the audio, you'll realize that Loftus' only stated source for Aswat being MI6 is someone described as a "Muslim sheik". From this, Loftus concludes that Aswat was indeed MI6, and that his connections with British intelligence account for his avoiding arrest on a number of occasions.
I'd still like to hear something a little more substantial about Aswat's supposed MI6 status. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Don't ever assume that intelligence services have control over the behavior of their so-called assets. That's a rookie error. |
I understand. And, while i'm really not that deep into the shadowy world of int'l intrigue and the like, "assets" such as these would essentially qualify as rogue agents would they not ???
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| That's a rookie error. |
Rookie error ??? Hehe ... now you weren't assuming i was assuming were you ??? |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| On the other hand wrote: |
| I'd still like to hear something a little more substantial about Aswat's supposed MI6 status. |
Bombing Mastermind Aswat Works for MI-6
Global Research | August 3, 2005
by Kurt Nimmo
As Fox News tells it, at the very moment the British police were supposedly looking high and low for Dewsbury resident Haroon Rashid Aswat, pegged as the London bombing ��mastermind,�� MI-6 was quietly stowing him away for safe keeping.
In fact, they were protecting him as an asset, although we should not expect Fox News to admit this ��embarrassing�� fact.
��The Times said Aswat was believed to have had a ten-year association with militant groups, and met Osama bin Laden at [a CIA-ISI built] al-Qaida training camp in Afghanistan,�� Breaking News reported almost two weeks ago. ��The newspaper said it had obtained FBI documents indicating he was sent to America in 1999 where he had firearms and poison training.��
According to MI-5 counter-intelligence whistleblower David Shayler, ��MI-6 is in bed with al Qaeda,�� which of course makes perfect sense since al-Qaeda is a masterfully engineered intelligence contrivance ( a fake terrorist front organization created through a collaboration between the CIA, ISI, and MI-6 ) designed to discredit Islam, sow violence and chaos, and bury any possibility of pan-Arab nationalism—or, as the Grand Chessboard master Zbigniew Brzezinski writes, �� ... to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together.��
In 2002, ��Tony Blair ��
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=NIM20050803&articleId=794 |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:03 am Post subject: |
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Oh Kurt Nimmo  |
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death from above
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Location: in your head
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:07 am Post subject: |
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fox news has all the integrity of a crack *beep*...
i only trust the bbc, but then i am a paranoid (cue black sabbath)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/ |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 4:08 am Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
| Don't ever assume that intelligence services have control over the behavior of their so-called assets. That's a rookie error. |
I understand. And, while i'm really not that deep into the shadowy world of int'l intrigue and the like, "assets" such as these would essentially qualify as rogue agents would they not ???
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| That's a rookie error. |
Rookie error ??? Hehe ... now you weren't assuming i was assuming were you ??? |
I stand corrected.
By the way, here's how the CIA's chief of station in the Congo described an asset codenamed, perhaps appropriately, ROGUE, a European national who did contract work for CIA in the 1960s:
[background: ROGUE was supposed to be a passive surveillance ops guy, helping to rip off courriered messages from hostile intel services, but the reason he was so valuable was that he could move in the world of organized crime and smuggling -- his world.]
What was good and bad about him was that "he can rationalize all actions...without pangs of conscience."
The Agency considered him dangerous, not just for its enemies, but for them as well: "He was the kind of man that could get you in trouble before you knew you were in trouble."
Intel services deal with people like ROGUE because they have no other way to do some of the things they need to do.
Few people understand what a double-edged sword this is...just look, for example, at the recent issues with the Cuban guy, or, of course, how covert paramilitary assets in Afghanistan came back to bite the hand that fed them... |
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rapier
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:01 am Post subject: |
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I heard about this guy on a Zimbabwe chatline.
He fled to Zimbabwe after the attacks- police there of course didn't care who he was. However he stayed at Victoria falls and was promptly arrested when he crossed the bridge into Zambia (presumably to get a side view of the falls). |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
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Intel services deal with people like ROGUE because they have no other way to do some of the things they need to do.
Few people understand what a double-edged sword this is...just look, for example, at the recent issues with the Cuban guy, or, of course, how covert paramilitary assets in Afghanistan came back to bite the hand that fed them... |
actually no, the CIA does not do business with "rogue" people that much these days. If a guy has even a slight connection to any terrorist organization, the CIA will not use him and tell its officers it will not do anything to get info from him (such as giving him money, hooking him up with some type of visa, etc). This policy stemmed from Vietnam and the Iran-Contra fiasco.
No doubt that is also one of the reasons the CIA has had a few large-scale failures in the last couple decades.
But back to the OP. You don't control have much control over an asset. As long as he gives you something productive, you're happy. |
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igotthisguitar
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7/7 Witness:
Bus Was "Diverted" To Tavistock Sq. By Two Unmarked Cars 
Soon to be published account will detail the plot and cover up of the number 30 bus bombing
Steve Watson - Infowars.net
Monday, December 11, 2006
A soon to be published narrative of the number 30 bus bombing on 7/7 in London claims that the Hackney bus was diverted to Tavistock Square by two unmarked cars which then left the scene at high speed after the drivers had conversed with police in the area.
http://www.infowars.net/articles/december2006/111206Daniel.htm |
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Hollywoodaction
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| Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| If I were you, I'd wonder if that Sheik was involved with the bombing and if he's just blowing smoke up your asset. |
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