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bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004

Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:53 pm Post subject:

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No Wangja, NO~! It's a loony leftie liberal lesbian vegetarian Guardian reading conspiracy~!

Oh grow up. One of them was on the front page, the other way down the middle pages. Just compare the media coverage given to this black kid compared to that given to Ross Parker or Kris Donald, both white victims of brutal racist attacks by Asians. In fact, most people have never heard of those two young lads. Both of those last two cases barely made national news. Why? Because it does not fit into the liberal orthodoxy that minorities are always the victims, and whites the perpetrators in racist incidents.

Butterfly

Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:17 am Post subject:

bigverne wrote:

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No Wangja, NO~! It's a loony leftie liberal lesbian vegetarian Guardian reading conspiracy~!

Would The Sun be included in your liberal orthodoxy?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4022261.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4644453.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4047057.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4025369.stm

Last edited by Butterfly on Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:26 am; edited 1 time in total

bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:24 am Post subject:

The Sun is generally right wing. However, on this issue it seems to be going with the flow. I don't remember the white victims I mentioned being on the front of the tabloids. Do you dispute that white on black racial incidents are given far more media coverage than vice versa?

Butterfly

Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:27 am Post subject:

My apologies, I got in late with these. which don't seem altogether different, community wise, from the link posted by Gwangjuboy. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4022261.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4644453.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4047057.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4025369.stm I'm not sure which is given more coverage, I can't say that I've noticed one being given more coverage than the other.

bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:40 am Post subject:

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I'm not sure which is given more coverage, I can't say that I've noticed one being given more coverage than the other.

Oh please. Kris Donald's murder received very little media coverage at all, at the time. The same with Ross Parker. They certainly weren't front page news in all of the tabloid, and broadsheet papers.

Wangja

Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:48 am Post subject:

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No Wangja, NO~! It's a loony leftie liberal lesbian vegetarian Guardian reading conspiracy~!

Yes, Butterfly, I stand corrected! Wink

And to others, it was one of three lead stories in the on-line Telegraph.

How much room is there on the front page of a tabloid? Rolling Eyes

Butterfly

Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:04 am Post subject:

bigverne wrote:

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I'm not sure which is given more coverage, I can't say that I've noticed one being given more coverage than the other.

Well, I'm happy you've come down from a quite bumptious 'grow up' to a more gentle 'oh please' - as is your choice. I like you Vernon, I really do.

Well, both the Richard Whelan murder and the murder of Anthony walker seem to have attracted quite a bit of coverage in Britain's most popular newspaper The Sun. The murder of Anthony walker however, seems to have a handy tabloid journalistic edge to it, as possibly the brother of a Manchester City player is involved.

Butterfly in expat chatboard shocker, agrees with what The Sun Says:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,31-2005350424,00.html

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Life is sacred

AS if Britain hadn��t seen enough violence in the last month, two appalling murders make us despair.
The axe killing of Anthony Walker by racist thugs was an act of unimaginable savagery.

But just as horrifying is the casual murder of Richard Whelan by a hooded thug on the top deck of a bus.

Gwangjuboy

Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:40 am Post subject:

KiteOperations wrote:

waggo wrote:

Its more a case of non examples.Give me an example of a famous Korean outside of Korea.

I can think of some...

Paik, Nam June(Video Installation Artist)
Kang, Sue Jin(Principal Dancer of The Stuttgart Ballet)
Jo, Sumi(Soprano)
Hong, Hei Kyung(Prima Donna of NY Metropolitan Opera)
Chang, Sarah(Violinist)
Chang, Hannah(Cellist)
Chung, Myung Whun(Conductor and Pianist)
Im, Kwon Taek(Film Maker)
Kim, Yun Jin('HYDRO' Project Manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Labs)
Hwang, Woo Seok(Worldp-prominent Scholar in Biotechnology)
Kim, Jeong(President of Lucent's Bell Labs)
Kim, Soon Kwon('DR CORN' making efforts at combating hunger in africa and asia)
Seo, Danny(Eco-stylist)
Pak, Seri/Park, Grace(Golf Player)

They are famous? I bet if you asked the average working man on the street back home if they knew who those people were they would have no idea. I myself only recogonise Pak Seri.

Butterfly

Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:01 am Post subject:

Gwangjuboy wrote:

KiteOperations wrote:

waggo wrote:

Its more a case of non examples.Give me an example of a famous Korean outside of Korea.

They are famous? I bet if you asked the average working man on the street back home if they knew who those people were they would have no idea. I myself only recogonise Pak Seri.

Well, wasn't the original point about them being able and creative? Whether you have heard of them or not, looking most of them up, I doubt you could dispute the contributions of many of them.

Gwangjuboy

Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:07 am Post subject:

Butterfly wrote:

Well, wasn't the original point about them being able and creative? Whether you have heard of them or not, looking most of them up, I doubt you could dispute the contributions of many of them.

The paragraph below stuck out.

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Its more a case of non examples.Give me an example of a famous Korean outside of Korea.

KiteOperations

Joined: 09 Jul 2005

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:00 am Post subject:

Gwangjuboy wrote:

They are famous? I bet if you asked the average working man on the street back home if they knew who those people were they would have no idea. I myself only recogonise Pak Seri.

haha, you're lovely. ok, i shouldn't say they are famous cause you don't recognize them.
but, voila, you've just come across all of them now.

hypnotist

Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:33 am Post subject:

Gwangjuboy wrote:

Butterfly wrote:

Well, wasn't the original point about them being able and creative? Whether you have heard of them or not, looking most of them up, I doubt you could dispute the contributions of many of them.

The paragraph below stuck out.

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Its more a case of non examples.Give me an example of a famous Korean outside of Korea.

Ji-Sung Park.

waggo

Joined: 18 May 2003
Location: pusan baby!

Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:44 am Post subject:

Butterfly wrote:

Gwangjuboy wrote:

KiteOperations wrote:

waggo wrote:

Its more a case of non examples.Give me an example of a famous Korean outside of Korea.

They are famous? I bet if you asked the average working man on the street back home if they knew who those people were they would have no idea. I myself only recogonise Pak Seri.

Well, wasn't the original point about them being able and creative? Whether you have heard of them or not, looking most of them up, I doubt you could dispute the contributions of many of them.

First of all I dont know any of them.None of them are famous and none of them can be called world shakers.Youre reaching of course by putting golf players in there!!!....Im not talking about famous on the sports pages im talking about going down in history and rocking the boat.Theres enough Koreans out there..the law of averages and all that!.....Really is that the best of the best????

If this country is the best in the world at anything its taking someone elses idea , imitating it and selling it a little bit cheaper with a few extra coloured butttons.Mind you, that keeps me in work!

Gwangjuboy

Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:45 am Post subject:

Butterfly wrote:

I'm not sure which is given more coverage, I can't say that I've noticed one being given more coverage than the other.

This story is getting far more coverage on the BBC than the other murders that have been refered to. Only today two headline stories about the murder of Anthony Walker.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4739521.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/4740095.stm

Even Stephen Lawrence's mother is wading in,

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I'm only hoping that this time that justice will be done and seen to be done, because Stephen's killers are still walking free and I'm hoping that Anthony's killers will be brought to justice.

Why aren't the recent murders of those white men killed by people from ethnic minorities getting as much coverage?

bigverne

Joined: 12 May 2004

Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:00 am Post subject:

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Why aren't the recent murders of those white men killed by people from ethnic minorities getting as much coverage?

Because such stories would not lead to the inevitable 'Why is Britain so institutionally racist and what should we do about it?' comments that the Guardian, BBC et al love. No chance of an in-depth look at the endemic racism in the Pakistani community. That just wouldn't fit with their prevailing bias.

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