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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:35 pm    Post subject: Should you go abroad for medical treatment? Reply with quote

Park (42), who works for a real estate consultancy in Gangnam, Seoul, had a check-up on February and a tumor was found in around the pit of his stomach. He went to "A" general hospital and underwent a computer tomography procedure. However, a doctor suggested checking again six months later as cancer is not easy to detect.

So he went to an agency that recommends medical services abroad. A month later, he received treatment at the M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, Texas. An American doctor kindly explained how the operation would proceed.

The tumor turned out to be not cancerous, and the operation was completed successfully. It cost him about 40 million won to be hospitalized for three days and undergo the operation. Park was satisfied and said that given the confidence he felt while receiving treatment and the high-quality medical treatment technology, he didn't think it was expensive.

The number of people who seek alternative medical choices abroad is increasing as Korea is losing its competitive edge in high-class service industries such as medical treatments, education, and tourism, which are higher value-added businesses. Recently, this trend is spreading in the middle class as well as the high-income bracket.
Korea Losing Edge in High-Class Service Industries
Donga.com (August 05, 2005)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2005080598828
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That being said there is some top flight medical care here. The dermatologist i went to totally took care of my skin and the results were amazing. I never would have had access to that kind of care at that kind of price bak home.
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trevorcollins



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did he use standard treatment number 1 - i.e shrugging his shoulders and then prescribing antibiotics? or standard treatment number 2 - i.e cocking his head to one side, making a slurping noise through his teeth and then prescribing antibiotics?

Sadly my heart says the latter.

Sad
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simone



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Now Mostly @ Home

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevorcollins wrote:
Did he use standard treatment number 1 - i.e shrugging his shoulders and then prescribing antibiotics? or standard treatment number 2 - i.e cocking his head to one side, making a slurping noise through his teeth and then prescribing antibiotics?

Sadly my heart says the latter.

Sad


Funny enough, my husband went through months of stress and hell thinking he might have stomach cancer, because Dr. Kim at the Itaewon International Clinic DIDN'T prescribe antibiotics.

After one night of vomiting blood, hubby goes into the clinic. They do a h.pylori blood test, Doc says it's negative, so we start the long process of trying to rule out stomach cancer.

Endoscopy without anaesthetic. No fun there. Poor guy just couldn't swallow the tube. Doc was a freak, too.... real twitchy. After the fifth try I dragged my guy out of there. I'm not usually all momma bear-like, but that day I could have lifted a car off of him.

Eventually returns to Canada for another Endoscopy, after what, three months of regularly vomiting blood?

Doc in Canada says, "oh, normal ulcer. You also tested positive for H. Pylori, so here, take these antibiotics. I'm surprised they didn't test you for it in Korea, though, making you go through all those procedures for nothing...." Twisted Evil

So yes, avoid Dr. Kim at the International Clinic in Itaewon. I prefer Seoul National University Hospital myself.

Simone
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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The truth be told, if I needed something serious done, I would go to Bunrungrad (sp?) in bangkok. I got a physical there a year ago and the treatment was unbelieveable. I highly recommend it if you are at all worried about care here. I suspect there is great service available here, also, but honestly I haven't found it yet in Daegu.
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nrvs



Joined: 30 Jun 2004
Location: standing upright on a curve

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say I disagree with RR on this one. If you're not rich enough (or "middle class" enough, as this article would lead you to believe) to afford $40,000 treatment, I believe the medical facilities in Korea are on par with America.

I was mostly uninsured in the United States for several years and it's a real hard time. Try paying $90 just to step into some family practitioner's examination room for a 15-minute appointment and you'll realize how out of control American medical costs are. Here, I can see an English-speaking, specialized doctor for W30,000 or less. That's the uninsured price, too, not some kind of co-pay. And that's at one of the best hospitals in Seoul -- Samsung Medical Center.

However, and I don't mean to hijack this thread,

Real Reality wrote:
Korea is losing its competitive edge in high-class service industries such as medical treatments, education, and tourism

since when has Korea been competitive in tourism? I mean, you wouldn't know it considering all of the university degrees in "tourism" amongst K-teachers at my hagwon, but I don't think Korea has ever had a "competitive" tourist industry.
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TJ



Joined: 10 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="

So yes, avoid Dr. Kim at the International Clinic in Itaewon. I prefer Seoul National University Hospital myself.

Simone[/quote]

Sorry, I disagree. My wife broke her arm and was taken to the S.N.U hospital in Bundang because it was the closest at the time. The doctors there were hopeless. They realigned the broken bones without using an anaesthetic. Then had to do it again because the bones weren't properly aligned.

When we returned to Australia we found that the whole procedure had been bungled. The bone had to be re-broken and re-set, pins inserted and now she needs 6 months (minimum) physiotherapy.

My wife's wrist is misshapen and she is in constant pain.

No, we definitely wouldn't recommend that hospital.
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KiteOperations



Joined: 09 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nrvs wrote:
but I don't think Korea has ever had a "competitive" tourist industry.

yes true. uh, half-true? you can encounter tons of Japanese and Chinese touristt anyday in Myoungdong. but it seems Korea has been a preferable destination only for their neighbors from Japan, China, Taiwan etc. anyway Korea does export the manufactures to abroad for a living.
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simone



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Now Mostly @ Home

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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TJ wrote:
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So yes, avoid Dr. Kim at the International Clinic in Itaewon. I prefer Seoul National University Hospital myself.

Simone


Sorry, I disagree. My wife broke her arm and was taken to the S.N.U hospital in Bundang because it was the closest at the time. The doctors there were hopeless. They realigned the broken bones without using an anaesthetic. Then had to do it again because the bones weren't properly aligned.

When we returned to Australia we found that the whole procedure had been bungled. The bone had to be re-broken and re-set, pins inserted and now she needs 6 months (minimum) physiotherapy.

My wife's wrist is misshapen and she is in constant pain.

No, we definitely wouldn't recommend that hospital.


Er... Let me specify... SNU Hospital in Seoul. Not the franchises.

The "International Clinic" there has a nurse, Kim Kyung-Hee it used to be, possibly still is, who basically takes you around to where you need to go, jumping queues all the way.

Sorry about your wife's experience. Still stand by SNU Seoul....

Of course, people can have widely varying experiences. A friend was at Yonsei severance and picked up a superbug. I DESPISE Soonchunghyang Uni Hospital in Hannam-dong, but a good friend researched it and saw it fit enough to have her baby there.. go figure.

Simone


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dogbert



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

simone wrote:
So yes, avoid Dr. Kim at the International Clinic in Itaewon. I prefer Seoul National University Hospital myself.


"Dr. Feelgood"
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canukteacher



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am leery of medical treatment in Korea.

One of the top universities here has a branch of their hospital in Guri (sorry not sure of the name). I went there about my thyroid a couple of years ago. I was seen by THE HEAD DOCTOR..........AS IN HEAD OF THE HOSPITAL (degrees from well known US universities). I had a biopsy done. The head pathologist did it, and he was hopeless. All that came back (thankfully) was that my thyroid was enlarged. This guy wants to remove it immediately. If you do not have a thyroid it means drugs for the rest of your life. I said NO...........I am going to Canada and will have a second opinion there. Korean doctor was insulted. Canadian doc says yes it is enlarged but unless it is causing you problems let's leave it along.
Guess whose advise I took?

I have also had the displeasure of going to Dr. Kim at the International Clinic in Itaewan. Stay clear of him. All he wants to do is push vitamins. He thinks it is beneath him to even do a proper examination. You'd be better off with a witch doctor.

Medical treatment here is sketchy at best. I would agree with the poster who says Thailand is the place to go.

CTl
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Freezer Burn



Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
In an e-mail interview with the IHT-JoongAng Daily, Dr. Yeon Dong-su, dean of Kwandong University's medical school, who has investigated some cases of "fan deaths," refuted some of the wilder theories but insisted fan deaths do occur.
"Many people say that these victims die from lack of oxygen, but that is not true," Dr. Yeon wrote. "Hypothermia does not only occur in the winter when it is cold. The symptoms can also take place if a person has been drinking and turns on a fan in a closed room. Most people wake up when they feel cold, but if you are drunk you will not wake up, even if your body temperature drops below 35 degrees Celsius (95 F), at which point you can die from hypothermia.
"It doesn't matter so much about the temperature of the room," he continued. "If it is completely sealed, then in the current of an electric fan, the temperature can drop low enough to cause a person to die of hypothermia."


http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200409/22/200409222123324579900091009101.html

Sure medicine here is top notch, excuse me while I just go turn my fan off and throw it out the window.
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nrvs



Joined: 30 Jun 2004
Location: standing upright on a curve

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KiteOperations wrote:
yes true. uh, half-true? you can encounter tons of Japanese and Chinese touristt anyday in Myoungdong.

Sorry, but a bunch of rich Northeast Asians taking advantage of cheap shopping do not make a tourist industry. When I, and I suspect most of the world, think of tourist destinations in Asia, we're thinking Japan, China, Thailand, Cambodia, and so on -- certainly not Korea.

KiteOperations wrote:
anyway Korea does export the manufactures to abroad for a living.

Wow, I had no idea. Thanks for the info!
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ajuma



Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While Koreans may be going to America for treatment, Americans are going elsewhere!!!

RR: Two can play at this game!! Laughing

http://www.medicaltourism.com/

http://www.voanews.com/english/NewsAnalysis/2005-03-18-voa27.cfm
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desultude



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajuma wrote:
While Koreans may be going to America for treatment, Americans are going elsewhere!!!

RR: Two can play at this game!! Laughing

http://www.medicaltourism.com/

http://www.voanews.com/english/NewsAnalysis/2005-03-18-voa27.cfm


I have a good friend who gets his comprehensive physicals done in Bangkok. He travels there on business anyway, and the whole thing including a lot of lab work and tests costs less that he would pay for the deductable from his insurance in the States.

Go to the States for medical care? Not unless you are rich and need some very specialized work done at the Mayo Clinic.
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