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rapier
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Yu_Bum_suk
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Fitting how half of them look like silhouette targets at a shooting range. |
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supernick
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Tell me something. Would you apply this same logic to the recent attacks in London? After it "was [their] leader and many of [their] voters who supported this war.."
Is this just a price they have to pay as well? |
No, as one takes place in the field of battle and the other doesn't. Blowing up buses is far different than taking out some Marines.
Blair wanted a UN resolution but Bush didn't. This is probably where are the problems originate from ( no not from those terrorist that cut off heads as you have mentioned over and over) as not having a resolution has weaken any form of resolve from the start.
The loss of life of military personel during a war is nothing to be overly concerned about. I'm sure that there are those that will cry a river and want to go to Iraq and teach those a lesson. Yes, 1800 American soldiers have lost their lives in Iraq, and from last count more than 10.000 Iraqis have lost theirs.
You have already said that you don't need to know the history of Iraq . The UK said the same thing in 1920 when a general said that they were liberating the people of iraq.
Countries that you have fully supported for this invasion which is not legal as what the law clearly states, nor has any legitimacy should be prepared for attacks, though I fully condemn attacks against civilians. However, if you, or your country supported the war, take action in defence, as those countries have created a lot of enemies. But then I already know that you think that it's fine to invade a country on false pretenses which resulted in the deaths of thousands.
Blair has stated clearly that the attacks in London have nothing to do with Iraq, as 9-11 happened before. The UK and the U.S have made some great mistakes, and have encouraged some radicals to take out their anger and justify their cause, something that Bush himself is also guilty of. If 9-11 didn't happen, it would have been very difficult to persuede congres into war in Iraq.
On this day, the day in which one of the greatest war crimes was committed by a government that you clearly support in its war policies, I would just leave it that those governments who have engaged in such activities are no better than those that they condemn. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:13 am Post subject: |
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Tell me something. Would you apply this same logic to the recent attacks in London? After it "was [their] leader and many of [their] voters who supported this war.."
Is this just a price they have to pay as well? |
No, as one takes place in the field of battle and the other doesn't. Blowing up buses is far different than taking out some Marines.
Blair wanted a UN resolution but Bush didn't. This is probably where are the problems originate from ( no not from those terrorist that cut off heads as you have mentioned over and over) as not having a resolution has weaken any form of resolve from the start.
(1) The loss of life of military personel during a war is nothing to be overly concerned about. I'm sure that there are those that will cry a river and want to go to Iraq and teach those a lesson. Yes, 1800 American soldiers have lost their lives in Iraq, and from last count more than 10.000 Iraqis have lost theirs.
(2) You have already said that you don't need to know the history of Iraq . The UK said the same thing in 1920 when a general said that they were liberating the people of iraq.
Countries that you have fully supported for this invasion which is not legal as what the law clearly states, nor has any legitimacy should be prepared for attacks, though I fully condemn attacks against civilians. However, if you, or your country supported the war, take action in defence, as those countries have created a lot of enemies. But then I already know that you think that it's fine to invade a country on false pretenses which resulted in the deaths of thousands.
(3) Blair has stated clearly that the attacks in London have nothing to do with Iraq, as 9-11 happened before. The UK and the U.S have made some great mistakes, and have encouraged some radicals to take out their anger and justify their cause, something that Bush himself is also guilty of. If 9-11 didn't happen, it would have been very difficult to persuede congres into war in Iraq.
On this day, the day in which one of the greatest war crimes was committed by a government that you clearly support in its war policies, I would just leave it that those governments who have engaged in such activities are no better than those that they condemn. |
(Numbers are mine)
1. So killing of soldiers is nothing to be concerned about. That will be news to the other liberals on this board who have used this as one of their main arguments as to why we should not have got involved in Iraq. One wonders would you be so unconcerned were a friend or relative killed.
2. Never said that. You are confusing me with someone else. When making such comments it is wise not to weaken your case by making up obvious fabrications.
3. Do a Google search. A terrorist group has claimed responsibility for the latest attack and has claimed it was retribution for British involvement in Iraq. |
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rapier
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:16 am Post subject: |
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No, as one takes place in the field of battle and the other doesn't. Blowing up buses is far different than taking out some Marines. |
-As I said before: insurgents are deliberately targetting civilians. |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 2:55 am Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
| supernick wrote: |
No, as one takes place in the field of battle and the other doesn't. Blowing up buses is far different than taking out some Marines. |
-As I said before: insurgents are deliberately targetting civilians. |
According to some of the Iraqi blogs I've read, so are the newly-empowered Iraqi police. The ones trained and paid by the Americans. |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 3:49 am Post subject: |
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According to some of the Iraqi blogs I've read, so are the newly-empowered Iraqi police. The ones trained and paid by the Americans. |
Stephen Vincent |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:06 am Post subject: |
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According to some of the Iraqi blogs I've read, so are the newly-empowered Iraqi police. The ones trained and paid by the Americans. |
Stephen Vincent |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| clink on the link. I believe you this what you were referring to (he had a blog as well as NY Times articles) but if not it at least backs up your point about police. |
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hypnotist
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:23 am Post subject: |
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I don't think it's really what I'm saying. To quote:
| riverbendblog.blogspot.com wrote: |
Detentions and assassinations, along with intermittent electricity, have also been contributing to sleepless nights. We��re hearing about raids in many areas in the Karkh half of Baghdad in particular. On the television the talk about ��terrorists�� being arrested, but there are dozens of people being rounded up for no particular reason. Almost every Iraqi family can give the name of a friend or relative who is in one of the many American prisons for no particular reason. They aren��t allowed to see lawyers or have visitors and stories of torture have become commonplace. Both Sunni and Shia clerics who are in opposition to the occupation are particularly prone to attacks by ��Liwa il Theeb�� or the special Iraqi forces Wolf Brigade. They are often tortured during interrogation and some of them are found dead.
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| My mistake. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think it's really what I'm saying. To quote:
| riverbendblog.blogspot.com wrote: |
Detentions and assassinations, along with intermittent electricity, have also been contributing to sleepless nights. We��re hearing about raids in many areas in the Karkh half of Baghdad in particular. On the television the talk about ��terrorists�� being arrested, but there are dozens of people being rounded up for no particular reason. Almost every Iraqi family can give the name of a friend or relative who is in one of the many American prisons for no particular reason. They aren��t allowed to see lawyers or have visitors and stories of torture have become commonplace. Both Sunni and Shia clerics who are in opposition to the occupation are particularly prone to attacks by ��Liwa il Theeb�� or the special Iraqi forces Wolf Brigade. They are often tortured during interrogation and some of them are found dead.
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Riverbend is a bathist. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| ...But I call them cowards as in many cases they kill unarmed men and civilians who happen to be in the area of their bomb. Admittedly some stray bombs have slain Iraqi civilians; however, this was not the target of the Chair Force eerr Air Force (Death from Above - or recon u laz it and we raze it) Anyhow ahh the Airforce does not try to kill civilians, but the terrorist knownly frag civilian workers and slay children who happen to be in the area of say a funeral or police office. |
Hmmm.... if you know before you drop the bomb that, in fact, civilians WILL be killed... what's the difference? That's a mighty fine hair to split.
Then you've got Joo rip gwa ree, or whatever, posting that the REAL reason for the attack on Iraq was to bring the Saudis in line... So, you knowingly attack one country that is NOT guilty of what you claim it is to intimidate another... but you're not responsible for the civilians you kill along the way? |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| hypnotist wrote: |
I don't think it's really what I'm saying. To quote:
| riverbendblog.blogspot.com wrote: |
Detentions and assassinations, along with intermittent electricity, have also been contributing to sleepless nights. We��re hearing about raids in many areas in the Karkh half of Baghdad in particular. On the television the talk about ��terrorists�� being arrested, but there are dozens of people being rounded up for no particular reason. Almost every Iraqi family can give the name of a friend or relative who is in one of the many American prisons for no particular reason. They aren��t allowed to see lawyers or have visitors and stories of torture have become commonplace. Both Sunni and Shia clerics who are in opposition to the occupation are particularly prone to attacks by ��Liwa il Theeb�� or the special Iraqi forces Wolf Brigade. They are often tortured during interrogation and some of them are found dead.
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Riverbend is a bathist. |
Even if she were (which she's not), so what? Would that make every single thing she wrote wrong? Sometimes I think you actually hate everyone in Iraq, Joo. Well, except the American soldiers. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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No she is a bathist for real.
(I can't take credit for the research though)
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=40856
http://crymeariverii.blogspot.com/2004/06/who-is-riverbend.html
I have nothing against the Kurds (20% of Iraq) , I hope they get what they want and I respect Sistani.As for the rest anyone who supports Al Qaida , the Bathists or Khomeni deserves worse than to be hated.By the way support for Riverbend truly is hate for Iraq since she supports a group that is against 75- 80% of Iraqis. Hypnotist you are too smart to be talking like George Galloway. Anyway remember there would have been no US action in Iraq if Saddam Hussein had given up his war. |
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