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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:45 am    Post subject: Crimes rocket in London: more terror attacks threatened Reply with quote

Looks like Britains Muslim community is really on edge at the moment- in fact the whole city. Who would want to be in London right now?

Faith hate crimes rocket in wake of London bombings
The Scotsman, 3 Aug 2005.

CRIMES motivated by religious hatred have rocketed by nearly 600 per cent in London since the July 7 bombings, it was revealed yesterday. They include verbal and physical attacks and criminal damage to property including mosques.
Scotland Yard figures showed there were 269 such incidents reported since the suicide bombings compared to only 40 in the same three-and-a-half week period last year.

In the immediate three-day aftermath of the attacks there were 68 faith hate crimes in the capital. There were none in the same period 12 months ago.

Meanwhile in Edinburgh, police are investigating after two Asians were subjected to a racist attack by a gang of 10 men who made comments about the London bombings. The group hurled racial abuse at their victims and vandalised their car as they parked in Edinburgh on Friday night.

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=16&id=1721072005

Muslims who hate us can get out, says Tory
http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1721092005

al-Qaida Threatens More Attacks in Britain
"Blair has brought to you destruction in central London, and he will bring more of that, God willing," al-Zawahri said in the tape, referring to the July 7 and July 21 attacks on London's subways and buses.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050804/ap_on_re_mi_ea/zawahri_tape
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bigverne



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the article Rapier posted:-

"If they don't like our way of life, there is a simple remedy: go to another country, get out. There are plenty of other countries whose way of life would appear to be more conducive to what they aspire to. They would be happy and we would be happy"

Seems like some common sense thinking is replacing the doctrine of multiculturalism.
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voluntarily?
Like below?

"Why yes, I'm a terrorist. Okay, you got me, I'll go quietly."

Or not, like this?

"Wait, where are you taking me? I'm a loyal British citizen! Well, yes, I do happen to be Muslim, but I'm no terrorist! Wait, there must be some mistake!"

Let the inquisition and reconquista begin (again).
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rapier



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bulsajo wrote:
Voluntarily?
Like below?

"Why yes, I'm a terrorist. Okay, you got me, I'll go quietly."

Or not, like this?

"Wait, where are you taking me? I'm a loyal British citizen! Well, yes, I do happen to be Muslim, but I'm no terrorist! Wait, there must be some mistake!"

Let the inquisition and reconquista begin (again).


It must be difficult for the average Brit to share a cup of tea with their muslim neighbours now, especially as polls indicate a large proportion of them support the jihad.
Obviously the devout terrorists didn't consider that their actions might provoke a backlash that would adversely affect their fellow muslims.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Obviously the devout terrorists didn't consider that their actions might provoke a backlash that would adversely affect their fellow muslims.


Actually, I think that such a polarization is probably exactly what they were hoping for.
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rapier



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
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Obviously the devout terrorists didn't consider that their actions might provoke a backlash that would adversely affect their fellow muslims.


Actually, I think that such a polarization is probably exactly what they were hoping for.


Looks like Blair is doing the right thing under the circumstances though. A few years too late however.

Friday August 5, 04:31 PM

Blair cracks down on Islamist radicals

LONDON (Reuters) - Tony Blair unveiled sweeping anti-terrorism measures on Friday to silence or deport Islamist radicals even at the expense of human rights laws, alarming Muslim leaders and civil rights campaigners.

Saying the landscape had changed since last month's London bombings, the prime minister announced plans to ban two Islamist groups and bring in new powers to expel or exclude foreign nationals who incite violence or glorify terrorism.

"The first batch of deportation orders will begin shortly. Let no-one be in any doubt -- the rules of the game are changing," Blair told a news conference.

Some of the measures put Blair on collision course with the courts and human rights activists who had reserved judgment since the July bombings on his anti-terrorism plans.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/05082005/325/blair-cracks-on-islamist-radicals.html
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
Actually, I think that such a polarization is probably exactly what they were hoping for.

Agree wholeheartedly. Giving terrorists the outcomes they're hoping for doesn't seem to be much of a solution.

But after having read Blair's ideas for implementation, he does seem to be one the right track.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
Actually, I think that such a polarization is probably exactly what they were hoping for.

Indeed me thinks you may be onto something Wink
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rapier



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:
On the other hand wrote:
Actually, I think that such a polarization is probably exactly what they were hoping for.

Indeed me thinks you may be onto something Wink


-Of course; but the polarization already existed long before. the attacks have just highlighted it. And what sane country wouldn't react to a percieved threat in its midst?

what would you advise- considering the high level of support for the jihad amongst british muslims?

Tony blair's statement:

"We are angry. We are angry about extremism and about what they are doing to our country, angry about their abuse of our good nature," Blair said. "We welcome people here who share our values and our way of life. But don't meddle in extremism because if you meddle in it ... you are going back out again."
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Sherlock, you DO realize Blair's new policy measures won't have an effect on 'British Muslims', don't you? Where exactly can you deport a British citizen to?
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bigverne



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Where exactly can you deport a British citizen to?


If they were not born in Britain, you can strip them of their nationality and deport them to their country of origin. A large proportion of British muslims were not born in the UK, and in theory could be deported to somewhere else.
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bigverne



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just what the muslim community needs. A 'moderate' leader comparing Blair's proposals for clamping down on hate spewing Islamic radicals, to Hitler's treatment of the Jews. What a total imbecile.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/PA_NEWA25762381123311215A00?source=PA%20Feed

"Dr Mohammed Naseem, the chairman of the Birmingham Central Mosque (that's the 2nd biggest mosque in Britain!), said the Prime Minister was "not very wise" to propose action against extremist Muslim preachers in the wake of the London terror attacks.

He said there were "similarities" between Mr Blair's approach to Britain's Muslim community and Hitler's demonisation of Jews early in his time as German Chancellor."
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rapier



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the first candidate for deportation from london.



Background about the Mayor of London and his controversial statements and actions: -

Ken Livingstone the current mayor of London, has made a host of controversial comments about the Jewish community in the UK and Jews in general, as well as about the state of Israel and the situation in the Middle East

Notorious for his Left wing views, his recent comments have caused uproar amongst British Jews.

Livingstone was publicly criticized in February 2005 when it was discovered that he had compared a Jewish Evening Standard (British press) reporter to a concentration camp guard after he had tried to interview him at a party. The London Assembly voted unanimously for him to apologize, and British Prime Minister Tony Blair also ordered him to apologize, but he refused to do so stating: but he did not, stating, 'The form of words I have used are right. I have nothing to apologize for'

Livingstone sparked further controversy in a March 2005 commentary in ��The Guardian�� (A British newspaper) where he accused Israel��s Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, of being a war criminal, citing his involvement in the Sabra and Shatila massacre and also related it to ethnic cleansing.

On Tuesday 19th July, Livingstone compared Israel��s Likud party to Hamas, see article from Haaretz, 19th July 2005 below:

Less than two weeks since the London terror attacks, the city's Mayor Ken Livingstone has sparked controversy by defending the use of suicide bombers in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and charging that Israel had indiscriminately slaughtered Palestinians in acts that "border on crimes against humanity."

"Given that the Palestinians don't have jet planes, don't have tanks, they only have their bodies to use as weapons," Livingstone told Sky News in an interview.

"In an unfair balance, that's what people use," said Livingstone, who has often been strongly critical of Israel in the past.

On July 7, more than 50 people died in four London bombings believed to have been carried out by suicide terrorists.

At the time, Livingstone was uncompromising in his condemnation of the terror acts.

Livingstone said that Israel has "done horrendous things which border on crimes against humanity the way they have indiscriminately slaughtered men, women and children in the West Bank and Gaza for decades."

Livingstone also said that he does not distinguish between members of Likud and Hamas, branding them "two sides of the same coin."

"I think it is the Israelis who are leading the stubborn line," said Livingstone. "The Likud and Hamas members are two sides of the same coin. They need each other in order to attract support."

"Each side emphasizes the extremism of the other in order to attract sympathy," Livingstone said.

Livingstone agreed to the interview in the wake of the media frenzy surrounding the possible visit of controversial Muslim cleric Yusuf al-Qaradawi, who has voiced support for Palestinian suicide bombers and has been banned from entering the United States.

Livingstone denied that Qaradawi will visit London,.

"I believe it is forbidden to take human life," Livingstone said. "I will welcome and meet with senior members of the Israeli government if they come here because they serve their country's government even though I believe they have done terrible things bordering on crimes against humanity."

-send a personal letter to The mayor of london!:

http://www.wujs.org.il/kenletter.shtml

What an idiot. send him to Iraq.
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Hank Scorpio



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bigverne wrote:
A large proportion of British muslims were not born in the UK, and in theory could be deported to somewhere else.


Or if they were born in Britain I'm sure the US would be more than willing to help disappear their more troublesome citizens and relocate them to such exotic wonderlands as Afghanistan or Boznia-Herzegovina.
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rapier



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well Its started. problem is, many british muslims do not hold dual nationality as many other countries do not allow it. Does anybody have any figures on how many Brit. muslims hold dual nationality? i can't find anything on this.
Cleric stripped of citizenship

The controversial radical Muslim cleric Sheikh Abu Hamza has been stripped of his UK citizenship. His lawyers say this will leave him stateless, but the home ofice believes he still holds egyptian residency.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/2919291.stm

Interesting piece on the radicalising of British Muslims.

Islam is programmed for victory, writes Wistrich. Its religious institutions were predicated upon the attainment of imperial power. Citing the "Sword Verse" of the Koran in which Muhammad instructs his followers to "kill the polytheists (non-believers) wherever he finds them," Wistrich maintains that extremist Muslim preachers in Britain have revived and radicalized those verses which can be made to justify the unspeakable.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=8648
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