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Hagwon teachers: We're all illegal??

 
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pet lover



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:36 am    Post subject: Hagwon teachers: We're all illegal?? Reply with quote
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The government requires institutes not to charge more than 10,000 won an hour in order to curb the soaring fees.


Entire article found here: http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2005/08/08/200508080010.asp

So, are we all working at illegal hagwons or what? I don't know how much my hagwon charges, but it is certainly a good deal more than 10,000 won per hour!!!!
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inkoreaforgood



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Location: Inchon
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:40 am    Post subject: Re: Hagwon teachers: We're all illegal?? Reply with quote
pet lover wrote:
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The government requires institutes not to charge more than 10,000 won an hour in order to curb the soaring fees.


Entire article found here: http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2005/08/08/200508080010.asp

So, are we all working at illegal hagwons or what? I don't know how much my hagwon charges, but it is certainly a good deal more than 10,000 won per hour!!!!


They were refering to cram schools for the SATs.
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Derrek



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
"The mother said, "For people around me, 3 million won a month for private education is not such a big amount, but I was stunned to hear that the schools fabricate community service and other extracurricular activities to make up an impressive essay."

"They arranged a trip for students to visit a Korean professor in the United States and helped students write things they didn't do. Isn't it too overblown?"
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Pyongshin Sangja



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Isn't it too overblown?


This quote got me. Does she mean that she thinks plagiarism is acceptable?

I wouldn't be surprised at all if she did.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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This quote got me. Does she mean that she thinks plagiarism is acceptable?

I wouldn't be surprised at all if she did.


I know of at least two companies who write university application essays for students. 100%. If that weren't bad enough, the applications are almost always to top universities, not podunk schools. Of course.
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Pyongshin Sangja



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I know a Korean with an MBA from Boston College who can't even write a one page letter.

Think he did that without ghost-writers the whole way through?
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pyongshin Sangja wrote:
I know a Korean with an MBA from Boston College who can't even write a one page letter.

Think he did that without ghost-writers the whole way through?


Very likey that he used ghost-writers. I know many people in Chile who are unable to pursue an MBA even there -- at Universidad Catolica and several other schools -- because most business texts are in English.

Judging from the Korean who came into my graduate program in history in a major southern California university who could speak no English even though he had supposedly passed all the tests and met all of the entrance requirements, it seems very likely some serious corruption is at work under the surface.
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:49 am    Post subject: Re: Hagwon teachers: We're all illegal?? Reply with quote
pet lover wrote:
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The government requires institutes not to charge more than 10,000 won an hour in order to curb the soaring fees.


Entire article found here: http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2005/08/08/200508080010.asp

So, are we all working at illegal hagwons or what? I don't know how much my hagwon charges, but it is certainly a good deal more than 10,000 won per hour!!!!


Um, they probably pay quite a bit less than 10,000 per hour for the amount of time the student spends in the classroom. At my school they spend 100,000/mo, an hour a day, 20 days a month. That works out to 5,000/hr. Since I usually have more than one student in my classroom, the school can afford to pay me quite a bit more than that per hour.

Don't get me wrong, a lot of laws get broken here on a daily basis, but if this law is real, it probably isn't getting broken at most kiddie hogwons because the competition out there is pretty brutal.
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Southern Drawl



Joined: 13 Mar 2005
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The law is real. The Korean government decides how much institutes can charge per hour of instruction. I know this because I've been to the Ministry of Education to speak to them about opening an institute. They showed me a document listing how much an English institute can charge, an piano school, a cooking school, etc. So the charge per hour depends on what kind of school you open and also what Dong your school is in. Some areas can charge more per hour than other areas. It's not a free market. It's controlled by the government. At least they try to control it.
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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pyongshin Sangja wrote:
I know a Korean with an MBA from Boston College who can't even write a one page letter.

Think he did that without ghost-writers the whole way through?


Heck..I am sure we all know some Westerners who also don't know their a$$ from their elbow and how did they ever graduate with a MD degree, law degree, etc...
But I hear ya!
We have a director at this university, a korean uni, with a PhD mind you...who is in charge of the English Language department..AND HE CAN'T speak a lick of English! We also have to proof read his monthly publications for the uni! Go figure!
We get along like Dokdo and Takashima...I am always on his case about his lack of English speaking/writing skills and he heads the department!
Needless to say..he wants me gone! I don't give him any reason to fire me job proformance wise! But I still ride him!
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