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igotthisguitar
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 Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 1:31 am Post subject: China Struggles With Tibetan Buddhism |
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China Struggles With Tibetan Buddhism
By STEPHANIE HOO, Associated Press Writer
Wed Aug 10, 2:10 PM ET
LHASA, China  - There's a new type of pilgrim spinning the prayer wheels at Tibet's holiest sites. Along with the Tibetans who prostrate themselves before the vacant throne of their exiled leader, the Dalai Lama, swarms of Chinese tourists rub crisp Chinese money on their foreheads and then cram the bills into collection boxes.
A Chinese military officer talks on his cell phone as he holds a Chinese tourist's by the arm outside the entrance to the main palace of the Potala palace, the former residence of the Dalai Lama in Tibet, western China, Wednesday, Aug. 3, 2005. There's a new type of pilgrim spinning the prayer wheels at Tibet's holiest sites. Along with the Tibetans who prostrate themselves before the vacant throne of their exiled leader, the Dalai Lama, are swarms of Chinese tourists. More than four decades after the Dalai Lama fled Tibet during an unsuccessful revolt against Chinese rule, Beijing's efforts to diminish and discredit him have failed.
In matching tour group hats, the Chinese visitors bow at Tibetan shrines, light candles and ring temple bells. Style-conscious young women try the Tibetan look, weaving bright strips of cloth into their black hair.
"This is a mystical place, a bit of heaven on earth," said Tang Wei, a manager at a government-owned software company in Beijing. "Even though it's undeveloped, life here is good. People have their own peace in life and contentment in work."
As for the Dalai Lama, condemned by Beijing as a traitor, "he doesn't sound so bad to me," Tang said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/china_tibet_troubles;_ylt=Av36ssHIdEQMd35E1Um8NYsDW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl |
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joe_doufu
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| I don't really see the "struggle" ... China is probably quite happy with increasing tourism revenue. The reporter wrote a bunch of crap about how the Dalai Lama is a thorn in Beijing's side, but frankly I don't believe a word of it. They've managed him for fifty years, and pretty soon he'll die off and they can choose the new Dalai Lama themselves. Just because a few hollywood nutcase celebrities like to say "free Tibet!" doesn't mean Hu Jintao is quaking in his boots. |
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rapier
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| Bhuddists don't want to forcibly take over the world. Not a huge threat to Chinese stability. |
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joe_doufu
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
| Bhuddists don't want to forcibly take over the world. Not a huge threat to Chinese stability. |
Right, and I think most Tibetans are quite happy with what they are eating (something the Dalai Lama never gave them, called "food") and where they are living ("houses") and their advanced education level ("reading and writing") and in what they aren't doing before they're 35 ("dying of polio and smallpox"). I don't think most of them are eager to return to slavery to a religious monarch. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
| Right, and I think most Tibetans are quite happy with what they are eating (something the Dalai Lama never gave them, called "food") and where they are living ("houses") and their advanced education level ("reading and writing") and in what they aren't doing before they're 35 ("dying of polio and smallpox"). I don't think most of them are eager to return to slavery to a religious monarch. |
Well Joe, you've gotta admit it's good to see at least someone's allowed to FREELY express themselves on the world as they see it.
If only Tibetans were so fortunate 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=tibet+human+rights+torture+sterilization+china |
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funplanet
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| Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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so it's ok to invade a free nation, attempt to wipe out their language, religion, and culture, if you give 'em more food and better housing??
great logic, sparky! |
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joe_doufu
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| Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| funplanet wrote: |
so it's ok to invade a free nation, attempt to wipe out their language, religion, and culture, if you give 'em more food and better housing??
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Tibet under the Dalai Llama was no better than Iraq under Saddam Hussein. DL has a better excuse, though, he was just a teenager and one should blame the jerks who chose him. |
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
| Tibet under the Dalai Llama was no better than Iraq under Saddam Hussein. DL has a better excuse, though, he was just a teenager and one should blame the jerks who chose him. |
Given your most recent response here you're presumably not interested in taking into consideration the point i raised earlier. Your line of "reasoning" is in fact one that Bejing has propagated for years. Too bad the only Tibetans they will allow to express themselves are those who parrot the politically correct, state sanctioned line.
To compare him to Saddam Hussein is ... well ... right 
btw - Did you know it's a criminal offense even to be found with a picture of the current Dalai Lama. So much for free speech, eh ??? Also, are you at all familiar with the story of how he was discovered as a child of two ??? Truth of the matter is he was not in any way chosen so much as re-cog-nized.
Quite something actually 
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joe_doufu
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Too bad the only Tibetans they will allow to express themselves are those who parrot the politically correct, state sanctioned line
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Who cares about freedom of political speech when people are starving, dying of disease, homeless, illiterate slaves to a corrupt bunch of pedophile monks? Not the Tibetans, and not you if you were in their shoes. I doubt any of them really want to go back to the way things were before.
If the cabal of monks had been any sort of government, they would have done something about the radiation problem. You know those Tibetans were living on top of huge deposits of uranium, slowly poisoning the people until the generous Chinese kindly invested their own money to extract the uranium and haul it away.
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Also, are you at all familiar with the story of how he was discovered as a child of two ??? |
Oh yes, I heard that both of his parents were Muggles. What an astounding miracle his birth must have been. |
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keithinkorea
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 7:02 am Post subject: |
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The Chinese invasion and current occupation of Tibet is not something to make light of. They have been shipping Chinese in and Tibetans out to dilute the traditional Tibetan way of life.
One of many attempts-this one a 'success'-enlarge their borders. Have you not noticed that China has border and territorial disputes with most of it's neighbours? I wouldn't want to live next next to China if I was the leader of a smallish.
Ignorant remarks, do you really buy all that Chinese propaganda that they were liberating Tibet? |
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joe_doufu
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| keithinkorea wrote: |
| Ignorant remarks, do you really buy all that Chinese propaganda that they were liberating Tibet? |
Do you really believe that one former slave-owner hippie and a few dozen Hollywood numskulls are authorities on politics? China has done amazing things for that country, even if they were largely motivated to do so because of uranium. The only reason the Dalai Llama is still rich (and he is nothing more than a rotten rich celebrity, make no mistake) is because the Beatles went to India and Buddhism became *fashionable*. In no way was he good for Tibet, and in no way do a majority of Tibetans want to go back to the feudal days.
PS: China is the closest thing to a major Communist country left. You Reds should embrace it with open arms. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:13 am Post subject: |
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Do you really believe that one former slave-owner hippie and a few dozen Hollywood numskulls are authorities on politics? China has done amazing things for that country, even if they were largely motivated to do so because of uranium. The only reason the Dalai Llama is still rich (and he is nothing more than a rotten rich celebrity, make no mistake) is because the Beatles went to India and Buddhism became *fashionable*. In no way was he good for Tibet, and in no way do a majority of Tibetans want to go back to the feudal days.
PS: China is the closest thing to a major Communist country left. You Reds should embrace it with open arms. |
Your comments would be a lot easier to take seriously if you didn't just repeat what you heard on Fox. |
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keithinkorea
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
| keithinkorea wrote: |
| Ignorant remarks, do you really buy all that Chinese propaganda that they were liberating Tibet? |
Do you really believe that one former slave-owner hippie and a few dozen Hollywood numskulls are authorities on politics? China has done amazing things for that country, even if they were largely motivated to do so because of uranium. The only reason the Dalai Llama is still rich (and he is nothing more than a rotten rich celebrity, make no mistake) is because the Beatles went to India and Buddhism became *fashionable*. In no way was he good for Tibet, and in no way do a majority of Tibetans want to go back to the feudal days.
PS: China is the closest thing to a major Communist country left. You Reds should embrace it with open arms. |
Who is red? I do semi support the Korean national side but really I haven't got the slightest idea what you mean by that, unless it is some sort of pathetic attempt at an insult?
I couldn't care less what a few celebs say on the issues with Chinas invasion of Tibet. Do a quick google search and you will I imagine here that the only people who have really negative things to say about the Dalai Lama are the Chinese nationalist press. If you type in something such as free Tibet you'll get another story.
Media Barons such as the props of Fox and other infotainment companies want to suck up to the Chinese as they'll get a lucrative deal if they play ball with the government. |
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joe_doufu
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| keithinkorea wrote: |
| I couldn't care less what a few celebs say on the issues with Chinas invasion of Tibet. |
There aren't any "issues"... celebrities just like to say "free tibet!" at awards shows because Buddhism is fashionable. That doesn't make the Dali Lama a great man.
| keithinkorea wrote: |
| Media Barons such as the props of Fox and other infotainment companies want to suck up to the Chinese as they'll get a lucrative deal if they play ball with the government. |
Who's talking about media? I've never seen Fox News... I gave up TV in 2000. I've actually lived in China and know a lot about the country. Tibet was a terrible place to live, and yes slavery was practiced by the monks who exploited the Tibetans, and now it's much nicer for all around. |
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