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| Will You Boycott Biometrics wherever possible ??? |
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| No, what's the big deal ??? |
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| In a few years I don't think we'll have that luxury ( mandatory - MARK OF THE BEAST ) |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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 Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:09 am Post subject: The Biometric Matrix |
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Biometric IDs Could See Massive Growth
By Thomas Frank, USA TODAY
Mon Aug 15, 7:21 AM ET
The concept was simple at first: Frequent fliers would clear a background check, become "trusted travelers" and be sped through less stringent airport security.
But now, the government's small, 13-month-old test program known as Registered Traveler is provoking an intense and increasingly complicated debate about privacy and the proper roles of government and business. The resolution could have far-reaching implications not only for how Americans travel by air, but how they conduct their daily lives and commerce.
Government background checks conducted for the Registered Traveler program, and the biometric ID cards issued to those who enroll, could in the future determine how someone makes a purchase on credit, enters an office building or arena, turns on a cell phone or boards a train.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20050815/tc_usatoday/biometricidscouldseemassivegrowth
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:12 am Post subject: |
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| I am not worried about it. Just keep Jeff Rense and Zudel followers out of the US, |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| igothisguitar wrote: |
| MARK OF THE BEAST |
Say, I've been meaning to ask you for a while now and this thread is as good as any; Are you very religious?
I ask because you seem to bring up Mark of the Beast a lot when discussing Biometrics.
Do you honestly believe that biometrics are the fulfillment of a biblical prophecy or are you just adding that for shock value, to give the ol' pot a stir?
I wouldn't mind discussing Biometrics in a thread like this but you seem to deliberately paint yourself as a half-crazed religious nut and that pretty much kills any desire to attempt to engage in any meaningful communication. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Do you honestly believe that biometrics are the fulfillment of a biblical prophecy or are you just adding that for shock value, to give the ol' pot a stir?
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Good question.
I'm curious why people oppose it. There may be legitimate reasons. The only ones I've heard are a) prophecy and b) conspiracy theorists' brand of paranoia. Are there other reasons? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think it should be controversial at all as long as:
A) it remains voluntary
B) people could back out of it at anytime
C) it doesn't infringe on the classic civil liberties |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
I don't think it should be controversial at all as long as:
A) it remains voluntary |
There are some things that remain voluntary but still affect our lives to a very large degree. No one is required to own a driver's licence or credit card, and yet we go through society as if crippled in some major way due to the large number of things we are not able to participate in without verifiable identification and access to a line of credit. I think there is some cause to worry, and without being lumped into the tinfoil-hat crowd, that biometrics could eventually become something like this ...
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| B) people could back out of it at anytime |
Once the government or huge and faceless multinational corporations like TRW begin to acquire and maintian files and records of individuals, how can any of us be sure that, when requested by the subject, such files and records would ever actually be destroyed or expunged? In fact, we cannot - we have no control over this as things stand now, the most we have at present is to be able to see the files that accumulate about us, and there have been recent cases of such files being stolen and used as part of identity theft. (Admittedly, biometrics might be a good tool to combat such crimes, but we are well-advised to hold some skepticism that it might also be thwarted sufficiently that it actually becomes a tool that aids or enables it.)
Edit : Just came across this NYTimes op-ed from about a week ago. I won't post the whole thing, and the link will expire and only be available to subscribers in a day or two.
But even as enshrined in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, the prohibition on domestic spying without a warrant has always been something of a legal fiction: the standard practice is to go ahead and eavesdrop on the conversations of foreigners, even if the party on the other end of the line is an American citizen. Summaries of these conversations are then routinely distributed throughout the relevant government agencies. The privacy of the American citizens involved is putatively preserved by replacing their names with the phrase "U.S. person" in the summary.
During the Bolton hearings, however, it emerged that when he was at the State Department, Mr. Bolton on several occasions received summaries of intercepts between foreigners and "U.S. persons" and requested that the spy agency tell him who those Americans were. Without asking Mr. Bolton to show any cause for his request or going through a review process, the agency complied.
Following this revelation, Newsweek discovered that from January 2004 to May 2005, the National Security Agency had supplied names of some 10,000 American citizens in this informal fashion to policy makers at many departments, other American intelligence services and law enforcement agencies.
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| C) it doesn't infringe on the classic civil liberties |
The right to privacy is not one of the "classical" civil liberties, and there is something tragic about that. True, it is at the heart of the Roe v Wade decision, and this is why a lot more is at stake in the future composition of the Supreme Court than just the ability of women to choose safe options for abortion ... from everything I've gleaned (I'm a kindergarten teacher, not a law scholar) any protections we currently enjoy and call our "right" of privacy have been precariously constructed by past precedents that ultimately can only fall back on the belilef that such is "implied" by the existence of several other related protections - they do not exist as explicitly spelled out in ther US Constitution, and therefore a lot of what we take for granted can be eroded or eliminated with the stroke of a pen ...
Unfortunately, relying on "classic civil liberties" puts us on more shaky ground than we were before. Sorry to bring the bad news ...
Having said all this, I think this kind of tech is inevitable and will be part of our lives increasingly in the future. I suspect it will reach the point that in most situations where we currently sign our name or enter a pin number or computer password, we will instead need to submit a miniscule scraping of skin cells that can be anyalyzed to ascertain our unique DNA ... yes, it will be "voluntary" but failure to participate will entail a host of activities being denied to us. We have no Constitutionally protected right to fly on airplanes, for instance.
And just as with most technology, it will liberate and empower us exactly as much as it cages us. That's how things go. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| It might work against AQ. That is a good thing. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
Say, I've been meaning to ask you for a while now and this thread is as good as any; Are you very religious?
I ask because you seem to bring up Mark of the Beast a lot when discussing Biometrics.
Do you honestly believe that biometrics are the fulfillment of a biblical prophecy or are you just adding that for shock value, to give the ol' pot a stir? |
Me ... religious ??? Well, i suppose that would largely depend on how we define the term: "religious".
"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six [666]" (Rev. 13:16-18).
Mark of the Beast ???  Yes, as good as any.
Biometrics are key to the Prison Planet / NWO agenda. Total surveillance ... total enslavement.
| Bulsajo wrote: |
| I wouldn't mind discussing Biometrics in a thread like this but you seem to deliberately paint yourself as a half-crazed religious nut and that pretty much kills any desire to attempt to engage in any meaningful communication. |
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=biometrics+666+company+matrix |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:41 am Post subject: |
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Forgot your passwords? Try using your heart
New biometric devices promise better ways to
"eyeball" your identity
http://www.1984videos.com/
By Dan Frommer
Updated: 2:04 p.m. ET Feb. 24, 2006
Have trouble recalling your passwords or PIN codes? Try using your heart
That's the suggestion from Tel Aviv-based Aladdin Knowledge Systems, which this week showed off a prototype security system that identifies users based on their heartbeats.
And whether you find that kind of proposition novel or creepy,
you're going to have to get used to it. 
Biometric security systems, which use unique body measurements to verify identity instead of — or in addition to — passwords, are a big business that is growing every year. An industry trade group pegs annual sales at $2.2 billion, and predicts they will hit $6 billion by 2010, as companies add biometric security to everything from ATMs to cell phones.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11523709/
( p.s. Resistance will be futile )
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