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death from above
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
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| when something is #1, it ceases to be alternative. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:31 am Post subject: |
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Is that so? I bet more people watch CNN and MSNBC together than Fox.
I am glad their view is out there. It is just as valid as the views put forth by such sources as the Guardian and the independent.
And one more thing :
In the west even w/ fox news there is more liberal left wing media than right wing conservative media. In most of Europe the media tilts left. |
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death from above
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:38 am Post subject: |
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Ok I admit I was wrong about the cable ratings , nevertheless there is still more left wing media in the west than right wing media.
besides I am still sure you added in CBS News, ABC news, NBC, MSNBC , and CNN you would get more viewers than FOX. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:43 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Most consider it to be alternative news I do. Not every report but most of it. |
You ignore the fact that most "alternative" media are either print or purely internet-based, not a corporate-driven nightly-televised "news" program that touts itself as FAIR AND BALANCED when it is neither.
Excuse me, but some things are just silly. Most average people in America would NEVER equate a nationally-syndicaticated television program with major sponsors from the large businesses that make our country happen as being ... alternative.
Considering how well I know you, I'm aware you have no capacity for humor, but from anyone else I would naturally assume the above comment was meant in jest. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| You ignore the fact that most "alternative" media are either print or purely internet-based, not a corporate-driven nightly-televised "news" program that touts itself as FAIR AND BALANCED when it is neither. |
Since it is cable and not net work I would say it is alternative.
And it does allow the other side to talk - David Corn is a regular on some of their programs which makes it more FAIR AND BALANCED than a lot of left wing media
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| Excuse me, but some things are just silly. Most average people in America would NEVER equate a nationally-syndicaticated television program with major sponsors from the large businesses that make our country happen as being ... alternative. |
Well it is on cable. Not on the networks.
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| Considering how well I know you, I'm aware you have no capacity for humor, but from anyone else I would naturally assume the above comment was meant in jest. |
Maybe it is just that your attempts to be humorous aren't the least bit funny. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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nevertheless there is still more left wing media in the west than right wing media.
besides I am still sure you added in CBS News, ABC news, NBC, MSNBC , and CNN you would get more viewers than FOX.
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The trouble with your contention is that CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC and CNN are not even remotely left wing. We don't have a left wing TV network, as far as I know. But we do have Fox and MSNBC, which tilts to the right on some of its programming. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 1:12 am Post subject: |
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nevertheless there is still more left wing media in the west than right wing media.
besides I am still sure you added in CBS News, ABC news, NBC, MSNBC , and CNN you would get more viewers than FOX.
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The trouble with your contention is that CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC and CNN are not even remotely left wing. We don't have a left wing TV network, as far as I know. But we do have Fox and MSNBC, which tilts to the right on some of its programming. |
I am sorry I didn't mean that CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC and CNN are left wing . However in the west there is more left wing media than right wing media if you include Canadian and European media.
That is why I said the west. |
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matthewwoodford
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
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| FOX News - BUSTED!!!!! |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| And it does allow the other side to talk - David Corn is a regular on some of their programs which makes it more FAIR AND BALANCED than a lot of left wing media. |
I'm trying to think of a "left-wing" television news and/or opinion outlet which is so unbalanced that it won't let conservatives on to air their views. I can't.
Are you possibly equating print and internet media and lumping them all together? The numbers involved are still such a huge disparity that it approaches humor to make that seem a valid comparison.
And mith has shown us on this thread the level of responsible reportage Fox engages in.
I would wager the average American viewer who count themselves as a base for this particular "news" program do not consider it "aletnative," but rather instead believe it is what it claims to be, "fair," haha, "and "balanced" chortle, chortle, guffaw. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| I'm trying to think of a "left-wing" television news and/or opinion outlet which is so unbalanced that it won't let conservatives on to air their views. I can't. |
Throw in left wing European media
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| Are you possibly equating print and internet media and lumping them all together? The numbers involved are still such a huge disparity that it approaches humor to make that seem a valid comparison. |
Left wing media often doesn't let the other side have its views .
no , but lots of European media is left wing. Throw that in.
David Corn is regular on Hannity and Combs , that is more than what lots of left wing media engage in.
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| And mith has shown us on this thread the level of responsible reportage Fox engages in. |
Not any worse that what left wing media like the independant engage in.
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| I would wager the average American viewer who count themselves as a base for this particular "news" program do not consider it "aletnative," but rather instead believe it is what it claims to be, "fair," haha, "and "balanced" chortle, chortle, guffaw.[ |
I would say they do consider it alternative but that is what a lot of fox viewers want.
Fox News is not fair and balanced in that it doesn't have an editoral slant. On the other hand it is fair and balanced in that it gives someone from the other side a chance to speak.
That is more than a lot of left wing media would do.
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Interview With Rep. Dennis Kucinich
Hannity & Colmes (Fox News Network); March 19, 2002; Sean Hannity, Alan Colmes
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Transcript: Howard Dean on 'FOX News Sunday'
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Interview With Al Sharpton
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Alan Colmes
Alan Colmes serves as the liberal counterpart and co-host of Hannity & Colmes, a one-hour debate-driven talk show focusing on controversial newsmakers and issues of the day. Colmes gained a reputation as a hard-hitting liberal known for his electric commentary on the American agenda. He has interviewed many key political figures, which include Former President Bill Clinton, Vice President Al Gore, Reverend Jesse Jackson, Steve Forbes, New York Mayor Rudolph Guliani, Ralph Nader and Ken Starr. |
Interview With Ralph Nader
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Hannity & Colmes (Fox News Network); February 04, 2002; Sean Hannity, Alan Colmes
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| David Corn is the Washington editor of The Nation, the oldest political weekly in America, and a Fox News Channel contributor. He writes on a host of subjects, including politics, the White House, Congress, and the national security establishment. He has broken stories on George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush, Newt Gingrich, Colin Powell, Rush Limbaugh, Enron, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon, and other Washington players and institutions. He currently writes a web column for The Nation called "Capital Games". |
http://www.davidcorn.com/author.php |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| I'm trying to think of a "left-wing" television news and/or opinion outlet which is so unbalanced that it won't let conservatives on to air their views. I can't. |
Throw in left wing European media |
Which ones? Aren't we talking about television? Again, you are lumping all media together? And what does European media have to do with shaping American political thought?
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| Are you possibly equating print and internet media and lumping them all together? The numbers involved are still such a huge disparity that it approaches humor to make that seem a valid comparison. |
Left wing media often doesn't let the other side have its views . |
Tell me the names of some left-wing television media. Anything at all on par with Fox. Tell me some names. Television media. Television media that doesn't let the other side air its views. I'm waiting. Names.
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| David Corn is regular on Hannity and Combs , that is more than what lots of left wing media engage in. |
Are you sure? Tell us some specifics. Names.
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| And mith has shown us on this thread the level of responsible reportage Fox engages in. |
You have yet to respond to the specifics of this thread discussion. No one ever expected you to. I just wanted to point it out, though.
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| Fox News is not fair and balanced in that it doesn't have an editoral slant. |
Did you mean to say that? How can you support a claim that this program has no editorial slant? Get real. And how does the lack of editorial slant mean that it is not fair and balanced. There's no sense in what you say ... though that's nothing new. Of course.
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| On the other hand it is fair and balanced in that it gives someone from the other side a chance to speak. |
This is all just for yucks, isn't it? First you say it is NOT fair and balanced and now you say it is. ... Tell me a comparable "liberal" television media outlet that you can point to and claim does not give the other side a chance to speak. You'll have a hard road on that because I can't think of any "liberal" television media outlets at all.
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| That is more than a lot of left wing media would do. |
Stop throwing mud and name some names. WHO is the left-wing television media? I've been looking for a while, and I haven't found it anywhere on the tube, not anywhere in all the channels currently available by antennae or cable. Do you have a secret frequency the rest of us don't know about where all the liberal pundits hang out and the rest of us are uninformed? |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:35 am Post subject: |
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i'll give you fox if you give me the daily show.
Those two seem like totally "offsetable" news programs!
kinda sad though joo when you pull out 6"left wing" interviews done on fox and claim that it's then "fair and balanced".
See above. Again, Daily Show and fox, comparable in that respect.
Also strange that you found 6 interview over a what...3 year period, and how long ago was it? Well, the newest one (dated) .was 2003
Is that supposed to convince us that fox is balanced?
pewlease. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| I wouldn't even go that far. Trent Lott is on the Daily Show next week and Rick Santorum was on two weeks ago. John Stewart has this strange quirk whereby he listens to people even if they don't agree with him. Very odd. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Which ones? Aren't we talking about television? Again, you are lumping all media together? And what does European media have to do with shaping American political thought? |
The Guardian and Independent but they are less left wing than the media in places like Germany and Greece.
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| Tell me the names of some left-wing television media. Anything at all on par with Fox. Tell me some names. Television media. Television media that doesn't let the other side air its views. I'm waiting. Names. |
I would get the names of the media all over Europe.
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Are you sure? Tell us some specifics. Names. |
see above
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| You have yet to respond to the specifics of this thread discussion. No one ever expected you to. I just wanted to point it out, though |
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Show me what to respond to.
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| Did you mean to say that? How can you support a claim that this program has no editorial slant? Get real. And how does the lack of editorial slant mean that it is not fair and balanced. There's no sense in what you say ... though that's nothing new. Of course. |
I was saying that Fox does have an editoral slant , but on the otherhand they do give the other side a chance to speak.
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| This is all just for yucks, isn't it? First you say it is NOT fair and balanced and now you say it is. ... Tell me a comparable "liberal" television media outlet that you can point to and claim does not give the other side a chance to speak. You'll have a hard road on that because I can't think of any "liberal" television media outlets at all. |
What Fox means by fair and balanced is that not what you mean by fair and balanced . What they mean is only that they give the other side a chance to speak.
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| That is more than a lot of left wing media would do. |
Stop throwing mud and name some names. WHO is the left-wing television media? I've been looking for a while, and I haven't found it anywhere on the tube, not anywhere in all the channels currently available by antennae or cable. Do you have a secret frequency the rest of us don't know about where all the liberal pundits hang out and the rest of us are uninformed?[/quote]
The media all though Europe. |
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