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flakfizer
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joe_doufu
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| What a loser. |
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Butterfly
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| Is that one of the banana splits in your avatar flakfitzer? I used to love those guys. |
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shakuhachi
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Location: Sydney
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: The "tragedy" of being adopted by whitey |
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The fact is that there are many Korean adoptees saying exactly the same thing. I dont agree with their attitude but the fact that they are saying things like this means it should stop, in my opinion. |
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Teufelswacht
Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:24 pm Post subject: Re: The "tragedy" of being adopted by whitey |
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| shakuhachi wrote: |
The fact is that there are many Korean adoptees saying exactly the same thing. I dont agree with their attitude but the fact that they are saying things like this means it should stop, in my opinion. |
I am assuming the "it" you are referring to is international adoptions. Maybe you are correct. Maybe those darn little ingrates from Cambodia, Ethiopia, the Balkans, Africa, the Middle East, etc. should all just stay where they are. 
After the 1988 Olympics the Korean government DID put a moritorium on international adoptions. This was after a comment about Korean adoptions made during an Olympic news story. It was the typical uninformed knee-jerk reaction made famous by various Korean government organizations and news media. Well, guess what happened? Nobody was adopting these Korean babies so the Korean government quietly restarted/authorized Korean international adoptions a short time later. It is a well known fact that Korean culture/society frowns on adoptions. In many cases, the only chance some of these kids have is international adoption.
Does anyone know how orphans are regarded in Korea? Apparently, the knucklehead in the article doesn't. I wonder if, in his self-righteous indignation concerning racism, he has ever considered how bi-racial children, especially bi-racial orphans, are treated in Korea? Probably not.
The person in the article is typical of many Korean adoptees I have read about recently. He is utterly and totally clueless. He could be the poster child for the phrase "PhD = Piled higher and Deeper."
I'm sorry Shakuhachi, if I misunderstood you. But stories like this, which IMHO are an unmitigated insult to adoptive parents, really get to me. Can someone dig up a story where a Korean adoptee wrote a letter/article thanking his/her adoptive parents and it was published in the Korean media? How about a story in the media praising the sacrifices and love of adoptive parents given to the "throw aways" of Korean society.? I would really like to read such a story.
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
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I understand the problem is not primarily that Koreans abandon an extraordinarily large portion of female babies. There are long waiting lists for adoptions in most countries of similar wealth to Korea which would easily absorb the extra "supply". The problem in Korea is the "demand" side... nobody Korean wants somebody else's baby. Supposedly it's to preserve the family name, but when you think about it, a quarter of the country has the same family name, those are really pretty good odds.
PS: This is the first time I ever heard of a male Korean adoptee overseas. I have a female cousin who is one. |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:12 am Post subject: |
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He seems to want the Korean government to pay for keeping all these orphans in Korea. Where are they going to get that revenue from?
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"So, it has been really difficult to track where exactly I was abandoned, but I won't give up the hope to find my parents," he said.
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Why would he want to track down those who adandoned him on a train? |
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inkoreaforgood
Joined: 15 Dec 2003
Location: Inchon
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:21 am Post subject: |
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He seems to want the Korean government to pay for keeping all these orphans in Korea. Where are they going to get that revenue from?
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"So, it has been really difficult to track where exactly I was abandoned, but I won't give up the hope to find my parents," he said.
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Why would he want to track down those who adandoned him on a train? |
Extremely good points.
I doubt that he could have become a PhD candidate here in Korea, if he had not been adopted. He has no idea what the conditions are like here for orphans, and how very few opportunities they have for school, jobs, and even marriage. His research, I suspect, has far too few concrete facts to back it up. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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He is a moron.. Its better to stick kids in Orphanages then give them to westerners which might actually give a flying rats ass about them..
Oh I got a better solution, lets put all the abondoned children in a burlap sack and drown them like dogs. This guy pisses me off, he was give a good life by the western world and he is now biting the hand that fed him. |
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The evil penguin
Joined: 24 May 2003
Location: Doing something naughty near you.....
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:25 am Post subject: |
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| What i want to know is if he uses his thumb to remove boogers...... Seriously, the lad's nostrils are bigger than his eyes.... |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:44 am Post subject: |
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Ok, arguments aside - how many of us are korean adoptees? We've read the newspaper articles and heard the comments made about blood here. Let him learn his own lesson or accept the fact that when a Korean asks you a question for their newspaper about how it must be for Korean adoptees' by those dammed humanitarian white people  (Not all people adopt a child because they can't have one, some are stupid and want to give a better life to one)joking  He may have not given the real answer.
He may not have been 100% honest. When asked a question about Korea, how many of us are 100% honest?? |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
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Are there any adoptions, whether done internally to a country or internationally, that don't stem at least in part from a tragedy of some kind?
I don't know why everyone has lept on the racism angle here, really I don't. Similar studies about adoption are made frequently - this one just happens to deal with it from a Korean perspective (which is pretty unique - how many other Governments have an actual /policy/ of encouraging international adoptions?).
Proposing that the Government invest money to try to keep children united with their parents seems entirely sensible to me. Of course there will be other cultural problems with that, and so what if his PhD doesn't cover those issues? No doubt another one will be along at some point that does. Korean culture is changing fast, right under our feet. Nothing wrong with seeking to influence it. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
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| Right, it isn't about racism or keeping the bloodline/gene pool pure. It comes down to a basic lack of human empathy, doesn't it? Maybe there wouldn't be so many Korean orphans adopted by Westerners around the world if more Korean families would simply try to imagine what it must be like to be that Korean orphan. |
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FUBAR
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Until you read his PhD paper, it's very one-sided and ignorant to pass judgement on the man's thesis based on an article from the Korean Herald. It's the same as the knee jerk reaction that the Korean government did after the '88 Olympics that you spoke of. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
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| hypnotist wrote: |
Are there any adoptions, whether done internally to a country or internationally, that don't stem at least in part from a tragedy of some kind?
Right. The tragedy is that the original parents decided not to keep the baby or have died or something. Being adopted is not the tragedy. Adoption offers a better life to those who have suffered tragedy are bound to continue in that suffering if not adopted.
I don't know why everyone has lept on the racism angle here, really I don't. Similar studies about adoption are made frequently - this one just happens to deal with it from a Korean perspective (which is pretty unique - how many other Governments have an actual /policy/ of encouraging international adoptions?).
I can't answer for all the posters here, but perhaps the racism issue comes from the fact that the author brought it up. He states that's it's great for these kids to go to successful families but that when they grow up they find they can't reach the level of their "white parents." He then brings up racism and discrimination. This from a guy who is a PhD candidate.
Proposing that the Government invest money to try to keep children united with their parents seems entirely sensible to me. Of course there will be other cultural problems with that, and so what if his PhD doesn't cover those issues? No doubt another one will be along at some point that does. Korean culture is changing fast, right under our feet. Nothing wrong with seeking to influence it. |
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