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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Those bastards. Anyone who condones this, is not even human. |
You may not consider them human, but such scumbags receive cash handouts, benefits, British passports and tax funded lawyers to promote their Islamist agenda. All in the name of tolerance and 'human rights'.
When it is argued that such people should be thrown out of the country immediately, your liberal chums at the Guardian, and in groups like 'Liberty' start screaming about 'human rights'. Moreover, organisations which have links to groups that spread such infidel hatred have the ear of government in 'Great' Britain. Even after the death of so many, we are still not taking Islamic extremism seriously. |
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waggo
Joined: 18 May 2003
Location: pusan baby!
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| Those bastards. Anyone who condones this, is not even human. |
You may not consider them human, but such scumbags receive cash handouts, benefits, British passports and tax funded lawyers to promote their Islamist agenda. All in the name of tolerance and 'human rights'.
When it is argued that such people should be thrown out of the country immediately, your liberal chums at the Guardian, and in groups like 'Liberty' start screaming about 'human rights'. Moreover, organisations which have links to groups that spread such infidel hatred have the ear of government in 'Great' Britain. Even after the death of so many, we are still not taking Islamic extremism seriously. |
I totally agree.
I have a lot of respect for Butterfly.He's a humanitarian .But he's living in that Coca Cola advert where they like to teach the world to sing. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:59 am Post subject: |
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I think he might have meant to say "not humane."
But "not human"? He may want to take a close look at humanity. At least post-Enlightenment scholars did. They concluded, among other things, that humans are what humans do, that's what it is to be human, and we are not likely evolving to some "golden era" of peace, tolerance, and enlightenment.
Humanity is very capable of doing all kinds of scary things. Many humans don't even lose sleep over it...we're a complicated animal. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:09 am Post subject: |
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| Humanity is very capable of doing all kinds of scary things. |
Especially when motivated by extreme ideologies that divide humans into categories of varying worth. For the Nazis, it was the Aryan and the Jew, for the Islamists, it is the muslim and the infidel. It's much easier to kill other human beings when you deny them any worth.
At least the Nazis were easy to spot. They wore swastikas and jack boots and made their intentions clear. Many of the Islamists wear suits, and engage in doublespeak, referring to Western concepts of tolerance and human rights, concepts which they very much despise. They appear to 'condemn' the killing of innocents, while at the same time praising Islamist ideologues who promote such killings. In the West, such groups have so far managed to hoodwink large sections of the media and government that they are somehow 'moderate'. Thankfully, such nonsense is beginning to be challenged. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:49 am Post subject: |
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At least the Nazis were easy to spot. |
So are the racist haters among us today.
You have yet to utter a single word of sense in regard to this tragedy.
Yes, easy to spot. Indeed. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 11:13 am Post subject: |
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| So are the racist haters among us today. |
Even easier to spot are the liberal imbeciles who seem to have no idea of what racism actually is. Once again, muslims are not a race. Do yourself a favour and invest in a dictionary.
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| You have yet to utter a single word of sense in regard to this tragedy. |
Your version of 'sense' seems to be offering meaningless platitudes regarding the nature of religious extremism (i.e all religions are equally intolerant), whilst making ludicrous comparisons between abortion extremists and Jihadists, ignoring any evidence that goes against the prevailing liberal dogma that you adhere to. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| liberal chums at the Guardian |
Well, my liberal leftie, sandal wearing (thanks for that one  ) chums at the Guardian reported this, in what I can only see as a pretty factual report, on yesterdays new measures to deport those that condone or promote terrorism.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,12780,1555308,00.html
Vern, don't let the bastards turn you into a fascist. That's what they want, a war. And for us to become as them.
Defining the difference between freedom of thought and speech (something that our GREAT country believes in) and advocating war and terrorism, is obviously more complicated than you paint it. We keep to the rule of law, it's what we believe in. If we have to change the law to adapt to a more hostile enemy within, then surely it is better that such laws are put under scrutiny. It's the way we've always done things, and the way we always will. I support the new law, and that all sides of the house do also, makes me feel comfortable with it, and proud of the democratic country I come from.
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| The Islamic Human Rights Commission (IHRC) said it was "alarmed" at the Home Office list. |
The Islamic Human Rights Commission. I must admit that one makes me chuckle a bit. They must be a bit of a confused organization right now. Even they can't say more than 'alarmed'.
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| Humanity is very capable of doing all kinds of scary things. Many humans don't even lose sleep over it...we're a complicated animal. |
Couldn't agree more. We are all capable of the most inhuman things, which makes me breathe a sigh of relief that we, in our democratic states, have a rule of law that prevents us, for the most part into descending into the law of the jungle.
Some on this board, with the type of rhetoric they use, would readily lead us into a Rwanda type slaughter of muslims, if they were in a position to speak freely on the airwaves, and to silence all those lefties who voice different view. A bit like Bin Laden would have it. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:31 am Post subject: |
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| We keep to the rule of law, it's what we believe in. |
I agree with you, but I feel that we have gone too far now in the UK. We are a country run by an unaccountable judiciary, who seem intent on overruling the government, who have the democratic mandate of the people. Our judicial process is far too lengthy and this damages our ability to make our country safe. It is time to return powers to the people, and thus parliament. The Human Rights Act, which has been a godsend to criminals, chancers and extremists should be repealed.
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| Vern, don't let the bastards turn you into a fascist. |
I have not advocated anything outside the democratic process. However, I believe that in these times we should have the ability to deport ANY foreign Islamists who promote Jihad or violence. As they are not British citizens, they have no inherent rights to the judicial process, and certainly not to tax funded lawyers who can string out the process for months or years. France seems to be capable of doing it, while we have to wait years to send such b@stards packing.
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| would readily lead us into a Rwanda type slaughter of muslims, if they were in a position to speak freely on the airwaves, and to silence all those lefties who voice different view. A bit like Bin Laden would have it. |
I certainly have never advocated anything of the sort. However, if we do not get to grips with Islamic extremism, and more bombs go off, then the country may well descend into the kind of inter communal violence you refer to, leading to the rise of groups like the BNP. |
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