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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
On the other hand it is fair and balanced in that it gives someone from the other side a chance to speak.
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Explain what you mean that the Guardian is fair and balanced in that it gives someone from the other side a chance to speak. Why are you such a big fan of the Guardian? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| I was just saying that fox either often interviews or has guests from the other side. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| No, you said the Guardian. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| Guardian sometimes does too. But Fox does as well. That is what they mean by fair and balanced. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:29 am Post subject: |
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You've been asked several times ... why your preoccupation with Europe in a discussion about a purely American news outlet?
More specifically and to the point, WHY have you neglected to comment, mention, or even acknowledge that the instance reported to us mith represents a LIE, and that no other word will suffice to describe it?
You have not tried to defend the specifics of this thread. You cannot. No one can.
Even including European print medai, you will be hard-pressed to find anything as blatant as this. Which is why you have not commented even once on the actual topic.
Ans you will continue to do so for that reason. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| is this going samuel beckett styles? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| You've been asked several times ... why your preoccupation with Europe in a discussion about a purely American news outlet? |
if Fox is bad then they are too.
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Even including European print medai, you will be hard-pressed to find anything as blatant as this. Which is why you have not commented even once on the actual topic.
Ans you will continue to do so for that reason |
Fox misquoted someone. They are not the first media source to do so and they are not the last one to either.
How about this slander in the press of a European nation?
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| Criminal, pervert, murderer, imposter, blood-thirsty, gangster, slayer, naive, criminal, butcher, stupid, killer, foolish, unscrupulous, disgraceful, dishonest, rascal. These are some of the adjectives I found in the Greek media of the last few days about the US President," wrote writer Nikos Dimou in his weekly column in "Ethnos" (14/11/1999). He had not seen the following quote of another columnist, Nikos Vardiambasis ("Eleftherotypia" 13/11): "Clinton is a miserable little Hitler that Adolph himself would not have made him even deputy commander of an army camp, because [Clinton] is stupid." No wonder then foreign diplomats and correspondents in Athens were saying that "Athens is the most anti-American European capital" ("Ta Nea" 20/11). |
http://www.aimpress.ch/dyn/trae/archive/data/199912/91205-017-trae-ath.htm
Remember Bush is hated far more than Clinton.
WSJ: Is Greece a Western nation
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Meanwhile, allegations that the Jews were responsible
for the September 11 terrorist attacks were so prominent in sections of theGreek media that the Israeli Embassy took the unprecedented step of
denouncing those allegations as constituting "criminal, racist, anti-Semitic
propaganda resembling that of the Nazis." But perhaps the most outrageousincident happened during a soccer match between a Greek and a Scotland clubon Sept. 13. Fans of the Greek soccer club tried to burn the American flag |
http://www.alb-net.com/pipermail/albsa-info/2001-October/002386.html
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| The link you gave above relates to 1999 and the Kosovo bombings, deeply resented and opposed by most Greeks, but subsequently such voluble and violent demonstrations, exploited by anarchists, have taken place regularly, particularly during the Iraq invasion a year ago, during which the Greek media was universally, hysterically and almost laughably anti-American. Guys like John Pilger, George Galloway and the like became often-replayed superstars on Greek TV. |
http://timblair.spleenville.com/archives/006140.php
Bush's Harshest Critics
By MARKUS RETTICH and WOLFGANG STOCK February 24, 2005
The Wall Street Journal
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.S. President George W. Bush is about to wrap up his fence-mending tour in Europe, and it seems that both sides have been sincere in their desire to improve at least the atmospherics in the trans-Atlantic relationship.
The same cannot be said about Europe's media. A study by Media Tenor -- a German-based international media research institute -- shows that leading European newspapers and TV stations still produce twice as many negative statements about the U.S. as positive ones (even if that criticism slightly decreased from December to January). |
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| The finding that European coverage can be more critical of the U.S. than even the Arab media mirrors results of previous Media Tenor studies. In 2003, Media Tenor published a report about four weeks of news coverage during the Iraq war that showed German television in particular covered U.S. military actions more critically than Al Jazeera. |
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| In 2004, for example, we analyzed the U.S. election coverage in both American and European media. All in all, the European media told a totally different story from their U.S. counterparts. Ignoring the fact that most opinion polls showed an advantage for Mr. Bush in October, mainstream European media indicated a clear advantage for John Kerry. In private, foreign correspondents (not only those based in Washington) complain at times that their editors tend to let their own prejudices determine the coverage and often ignore facts or insight from those closest to the event. It seems that a majority of European editors simply wanted President Bush to be replaced. This bias also had an effect on public opinion: Polls throughout Europe suggested that the majority of citizens wanted and expected Mr. Kerry to win. |
http://www.bradynet.com/bbs/nonem/100206-0.html
European media is Fox news turned around.
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jinglejangle
Joined: 19 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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You are all misconstruing the situation.
Fox News is absolutely in the right (no pun intended) to report that "story" the way the did.
You see, you are all talking about this as if it was a case of unethical reporting.
Reporting as in, communicating the observed facts of an occurance/thing to other people.
That is not what FOX generally does. FOX News offers commentary on occurances things.
That is because they (like every other major news outlet in the USA) are not in the business of caring whether you are informed, they are in the business of entertaining (or provoking) you in order to influence what you think.
They are in fact one of the major propaganda arms of the Business Party which rules the US one party system.
Because they are the employees of "The Man" and not of "The Public" they would be remiss if they did not twist the truth to sway you.
You see, "fair and balanced" is only a marketing slogan after all, and as long as the nedia cartels keep you distracted, misinformed, and unable to distiguish the truth, then they are doing the right thing, that is, the thing which they are being paid for.
The refreshing thing about FOX is, they're so F-ing obvious about it.
The other organizations still pretend somewhat, but FOX is clearly all about entertainment and provoking emotion it's pitiful to bother even discussing them as a source of news.
FOX is business party propaganda.
So is CNN.
So is MSNBC.
It doesn't matter if they lean right or left.
They lean on YOU.
Quit fooling yourselves. |
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Deconstructor
Joined: 30 Dec 2003
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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There is no such thing as the liberal media. There are those who say let's live and let live and then there is Fox �News�.
Read my aphorism below the line. It speaks volumes. Yes, Fox "News" IS an adoration of everything decent and good, but we shall overcome.
Isn�t it like true evil to do its dirty deed under the banner of �fair and balanced�? Isn�t it like conservative Christians to call for assassination in the name of life, liberty and country?
F*ck every last conservative who has ever walked this earth. |
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jinglejangle
Joined: 19 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Deconstructor wrote: |
Isn�Ԥ��ͤ� it like true evil to do its dirty deed under the banner of �Ԥ�����air and balanced�? Isn�Ԥ��ͤ� it like conservative Christians to call for assassination in the name of life, liberty and country?
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No actually that sounds more like politicians trying to rabble rouse in a society with Judeo Christian overtones. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:40 am Post subject: Re: Ha ha, FOX News (part the second) |
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Stupid FOX News.
Check this out:
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A little while ago, at 2:05 PM ET, FOX News Live reported a vicious lie about Cindy Sheehan without bothering to provide the source.
Laurie Dhue introduced the segment by saying snidely that Cindy Sheehan is the "so-called Peace Mom," as if that in itself is something distasteful.
Molly Henneberg reported from Crawford, TX that Sheehan "says America is not worth dying for." Rather than provide a specific source or a clip, Henneberg merely told the audience Sheehan said that "back in April at a rally in San Francisco for a lawyer convicted of providing support to terrorists." Perhaps the reason no clip or source was provided was because Henneberg completely distorted what Sheehan said.
In fact, Iraq was the country Sheehan said was not worth dying for, as this complete quote from a transcript at wikipedia shows:
I'm going all over the country telling moms: "This country is not worth dying for. If we're attacked, we would all go out. We'd all take whatever we had. I'd take my rolling pin and I'd beat the attackers over the head with it. But we were not attacked by Iraq." {applause}
Funny, but Henneberg did show a clip of something else Sheehan said at the same rally: "If he thinks that it's so important for Iraq to have a U.S.-imposed sense of freedom and democracy, then he needs to sign up his two little party-animal girls. They need to go this war. They need to fight."
Why provide the clip on the second but not the first quote, which was the one highlighted by the story? Could it be because it was bogus and FOX News knew it? |
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If you read the entire speech (rather than the misleading segemet you posted) you will see that she started off by talking about America. She tears it down and THEN says this country is not worth dying. So she may have been talking about Iraq, but she could have easily been talking about America. You could read it either way. But it sure sounds like she is talking about America. Read her speech here. It provides what she said so let's focus on that.
http://www.lifelikepundits.com/archives/001323.php |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| I take responsibility partly for my son��s death, too. I was raised in a country by a public school system that taught us that America was good, that America was just. America has been killing people, like my sister over here says, since we first stepped on this continent, we have been responsible for death and destruction. I passed on that bullshit to my son and my son enlisted. I��m going all over the country telling moms: ��This country is not worth dying for. |
Here is the first part of the paragraph that you provided.
As for Iraq she says if we were attacked, and that Iraq was not attacking us. But I don't see how you can possibly make the connection that it was Iraq and ONLY Iraq that she was talking about. At the very least you have to admit that she COULD have been talking about America. |
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mithridates
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Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:06 am Post subject: |
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If that's so we'd have to consider the possibility that she wanted to say to everybody, "The US isn't worth dying for." Isn't that as suicidal a move as saying "I don't support the troops"?
Anyway, time to go out. I'll read the rest of the speech tonight. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:14 am Post subject: |
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If that's so we'd have to consider the possibility that she wanted to say to everybody, "The US isn't worth dying for." Isn't that as suicidal a move as saying "I don't support the troops"?
Anyway, time to go out. I'll read the rest of the speech tonight. |
Read her speech. She IS talking about America. She says just after the parts we quoted "I would never have let him go and try and defend this morally repugnant system we have here." |
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mithridates
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 7:15 am Post subject: |
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I'm back, and I read the speech. I see three possibilities:
1)That she was talking about Iraq as originally asserted. Where she mentions the 'this country isn't worth dying for' is right after she talks about the us and right before Iraq.
2)That she was talking about the US. It looks like that from the transcript but it's not certain. However, if she was talking about the US and still no-one seems to care, that speaks of a remarkably different political climate than a year back when democrats were quick to avoid anyone like the plague that seemed to be less than patriotic.
3)She was excited and wasn't really sure herself which country she was referring to. You can see that everything else she was talking about right before was all over the map, and her words certainly shouldn't be analyzed as closely as Bush's, who always repeats and stays on script as long as he isn't tricked by a wily reporter.
What would really help though is a video. |
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