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The "tragedy" of being adopted by whitey
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of my best friends is a Korean adoptee. She's now in medical school. Yes she feels some sadness about not knowing her true mother. Every adoptee feels this way, even white people born in North America and adopted by white people. It's natural.

Korea freaks about about its low birth rates but it sends, what, 2,000 future baby makers per year abroad. Korean logic. Welcome to Korea.
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Alias



Joined: 24 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joe_doufu wrote:
red dog wrote:
Thanks, Hypnotist ... here's another link to this guy's work:
http://www.transracialabductees.org/politics/samdolcritique.html


What an article! Look at this:
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In the 1970s, during the golden days of Korean adoption when Korean children like pets and mascots became status symbols among progressive whites, the pressure was enormous on Korea to find adoptable children. Temporarily relinquished children at institutions and those who simply got lost from their parents on the streets disappeared forever from the country.


here's another bit that made me laugh:
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Every year tens of thousands of white men of whom many are academics in Asian Studies travel to East Asia to find a wife, and they are not making any difference between countries like Korea or Thailand. East Asia is for a white man an enormous sexual fantasy with its rape myths and colonial subordination. These white men are tramping in the same footsteps as their heroes, the American soldiers who raped East Asian women and killed Asian men in countries like Korea, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Taiwan, the Philippines and Japan.

("wife"... ha ha)
He really ranges all over the racial opinion spectrum, doesn't he?


Maybe his parents were real jerks? Who else can explain this pseudo-intellectual babble.

It is interesting to note that Korean soceity isn't blamed. Only those evil whites who "abduct" kids are, and to a less extent the government.

Also, there is no research done on the lives of Korean orphans.
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joe_doufu



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alias wrote:
Maybe his parents were real jerks? Who else can explain this pseudo-intellectual babble.


It's a combination of the facts that (1) no Race And Gender Studies department of a major university would sponsor a PhD candidate whose thesis was "White people are good for orphans." and (2) of all those writing dissertations on the evils of white foster parents, this one is either the most outrageous or the most Korean or both, and thus we know about him.
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Alias



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is one Korean-adoptee who is very bitter towards her adoptive parent:

http://www.nathanielturner.com/boughtcoloredkids.htm

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what happens when the bought colored kid begins to understand your role in white supremacy? What happens when we begin to see that we are part of a transaction in a global economy of white supremacy? What happens when the realization of all that went down occurs?

You snort and say with hostility, hey, we never stood in the way of you and your culture. You were the one that felt uncomfortable around Koreans for a long time. You were the one that didn�t want to take Korean language classes. You will point out that you did �your job� and it is my fault that I didn�t respond.

Some of you will point out that you even offered to help your bought kids find their �biological� parents (a distinction that serves your need to be the �real� parent).

I guess you don�t get it. The whole point is, there is nothing you can do to make shit better. You�re white in a white supremacist society, and that�s all there is to it. You purchased a colored kid (sometimes two or three) as a white person. You can never take that back. There is little you can do to repair the damage. No amount of cultural lessons, no amount of anti-racist work you do, no amount of money that you give, no amount of slang or phrases that you learn, can change the structure that you are a part of.
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schwa



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

International adoption is a very recent phenomenon. It started only about 50 years ago & Korea has largely led the way. Its hard to fathom the cultural & racial displacement the adoptees experience. I'm surprised more havent spoken up like the guy in the article.

Check out this poignant article:


A FEW IMPRESSIONS ON MEETING THE HARRY HOLT PLANE, THE ��FLYING TIGER,�� WHICH ARRIVED IN PORTLAND, OREGON, DECEMBER 27, 1958, CARRYING 107 KOREAN CHILDREN WHO WERE ADOPTED THROUGH THE HOLT PROXY ADOPTION PROGRAM BY FAMILIES IN THE UNITED STATES.

While in Portland during the Christmas holidays I had an opportunity to see a few of the 107 Korean children who came to the United States through the Harry Holt Korean Proxy Adoption Program, and the process whereby the adoptive parents picked up their children at the Portland International Airport.

The age range of the children was from the infant child (2-3 months old) to 10 years. Of the 107, there were 50 infant children under one year. A few children were of Negro-Korean extraction, and they were adopted into Negro families. These were beautiful children! I have heard said that the combination of Negro-Korean is an especially attractive combination, and the children proved this. The Negro adoptive couples were thrilled with the children they received. The children tended to be of quite dark coloring.

Although I did not see the children come off the plane because I was a few minutes late, I did see the boxes that the infant children arrived in. These were white, heavy cardboard boxes, approximately three feel long and perhaps two feet wide. There were small round holes in the ends of each box, I understand, to enable the boxes to be stacked one above the other.

At the time I arrived the children were in the Immigration Headquarters having their physical examinations by the Public Health Doctors, and volunteer workers (I believe) were bathing and feeding the children. This room was not open to the adoptive parents or ��outsiders.�� One could only hear the many children crying.

Many of the children had colds and coughs, but I did not feel that their general physical condition looked too bad. The children were as a rule thin, but they did not look sickly. I understand that thirteen of the 107 children were ill and needed hospitalization.

There must have been about 200 people to meet this plane, including native Koreans who came in their native dress to see these children arrive. This number did not include the adoptive parents, but may have been members of the extended family. In some cases only one parent came to get the child because of the distance involved. I saw adoptive couples from Tennessee, Texas, Arizona, Colorado, Michigan, and the far western states. I asked one couple from Colorado the process they had gone through to receive their child, and they replied that their minister (Lutheran) had recommended them, and they submitted a financial statement including employment status. They did not mention anything else.

The adoptive parents were all huddled in one large room waiting for their name to be called by Mr. Holt��s secretary indicating that their child was ready for release. The adoptive parents had in their possession papers from Mr. Holt notifying them of their child��s arrival, plus a picture of the child they were to adopt. Some of the adoptive parents said they could recognize ��their�� child coming off the plane by the picture.

As a group, I would say that the adoptive couples looked like a lower to middle-class group. The Negro adoptive parents were the most strikingly dressed and groomed of the group. The preponderance of women without makeup, and extremely plain dress—almost drab, was startling. This might indicate that these particular families were of a strict religious sect. I felt that while the enthusiasm of the adoptive parents was generally high, that some of the people showed little affect, and had a ��color-less�� expression. This lack of affect even extended to a few of the adoptive mothers after they received their child. (I felt ill!) . . .

I could not help but feel that a few of the adoptive couples were disappointed in their child. The expression on some of their faces were revealing that perhaps this was not the child that they had dreamed of, and they were still bewildered at the appearance of the child and his inability to make immediate response as they wished.

I came away from this experience ill and almost as bewildered as some of the adoptive parents themselves—that this could happen to children and parents in the United States today! My worries for these children have never ceased, and one can only hope and pray that they are doing as well as circumstances have allowed with such inadequate planning. I could only think how different this could have been with the participation of good social agencies who could work with these families to evaluate for their own good and the welfare of the child, their capacity to adopt a Korean child. How different the futures of these children might be with more adequate protective devices through proper legislation and the cooperation of all people interested in the lives of children, whether they be American, Korean, or any other children in such circumstances.


Other intersting stuff at this site: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~adoption/topics/internationaladoption.htm
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dulouz



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the best thread here in six months!!!

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Along with dreadlocks and a non-white lover, the coolest accessory of the white liberal ��left�� these days is a bought colored kid.


Laughing
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=30656&highlight=article
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kermo



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SuperFly wrote:
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=30656&highlight=article


The article links don't seem to work anymore. Sad
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joe_doufu



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dulouz wrote:
This is the best thread here in six months!!!

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Along with dreadlocks and a non-white lover, the coolest accessory of the white liberal ��left�� these days is a bought colored kid.


Laughing


Man, I'm politically "right" (sort of) and all those things sound good to me, too!
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jinglejangle



Joined: 19 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

edit. Sorry, I'm writing under the influence.

Post deleted.

If you want to know what I wrote, read my previous post on this thread and extropolate based on the above quoted female Kyopo orphan's article.

The racist little Bizzyatch.
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dulouz



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really? Is she racist? I said so many times before, anyone that ever questions any aspect about the neo marxists strategy of race fetish will be called the dreaded R word. The vast majority of these the abductors are racist themselves and liars to the nth degree. Racist as in "I don't want an ugly Black child, while the are cute Asians available".

The fact that these people went overseas to avoid getting foster kids that are too old, ugly, fat, messed up or biracial is disturbing. People who wrap themselves in the utmost selfless love and then go shopping for the perfect child are unconscionable individuals. Its so very abusive.

I can't blame people for wanting to help. If thats the case, find a good orphanage and make donations.
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jinglejangle



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Really? Is she racist? I said so many times before, anyone that ever questions any aspect about the neo marxists strategy of race fetish will be called the dreaded R word. The vast majority of these the abductors are racist themselves and liars to the nth degree. Racist as in "I don't want an ugly Black child, while the are cute Asians available".

The fact that these people went overseas to avoid getting foster kids that are too old, ugly, fat, messed up or biracial is disturbing. People who wrap themselves in the utmost selfless love and then go shopping for the perfect child are unconscionable individuals. Its so very abusive.

I can't blame people for wanting to help. If thats the case, find a good orphanage and make donations.
I have to disagree. First, I have yet to meet anyone who I would accuse of deciding they would like an Asian child. But then I haven't met all that many people so it may be that their are plenty of such people out there.

But I would still argue that catergorizing all white people who adopt asians as racist based on their color and the attitudes/actions of a part of that categorey is by default, racist.

Secondly, I disagree that there is anything wrong with choosing which child or which kind of child you adopt.

For example: A family who wasn't willing to put forth the additional effort of raising a handicap child, or who is unable to, would be negligent in advance in doing so.

Or again, a couple which was racially predjudiced against black people, should DEFINATELY not adopt a black child. Yet despite this shortcoming, grevious though it may seem to you and me, they may well be possessed of a heart to help others and may be quite capable of loving a young Quechua child.

Irregardless, I feel that there is already far too little of people making sacrifices to help others in this world, and to make blanket condemnations of their perhaps limited kindness based on the fact that they could do more sounds to me like madness.

And finally, how is it that you can in one page criticize the suppot of blind equality and then call adoptive parents racist for not practicing blind equality? You contradict yourself and make both of your arguements seem ill concieved by doing so.
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joe_doufu



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alias wrote:
Here is one Korean-adoptee who is very bitter towards her adoptive parent:

http://www.nathanielturner.com/boughtcoloredkids.htm


Bitter is right. She writes:
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All of this is fine and good, white mommy and daddy. But what do you do when the child is not willing to work within your paradigm? What happens when the child stops taking your calls, cuts you off? What happens when the bought colored kid is repulsed at the sight of you, even the thought of you?

Clearly there are issues that have nothing to do with race at work in this girl's motivation.

Then she deflects the obvious rebuttal to her paper with "don't rub it in my face" or something to that effect:
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The unfortunate reality of all this is, my situation... was bad. I was abandoned by my ��biological�� parents... I was malnourished. A lot of the kids in the orphanage I lived in died before they were adopted. [stuff] was bad and I probably would have remained in those conditions until someone adopted me. But don��t ever throw some [stuff] like that in my face to deflect an analysis around white supremacy. That is, as a friend of mine puts it, a [semen] shot to the face.

I wonder what kind of response she's looking for if she insists that people avoid stating the obvious.

EDIT/Postscript: Her other name is Tamara Nopper. I googled her and found this Livejournal entry linking to her various works. http://www.livejournal.com/community/femalearchetype/67712.html
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dulouz



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Secondly, I disagree that there is anything wrong with choosing which child or which kind of child you adopt.


People that go child shopping always insist on the same credibility as biologic parents. Biologic parents can't pick and choose but none the less we are via contemporary values forced to give the sme recognition.

Thats not right.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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People that go child shopping always insist on the same credibility as biologic parents. Biologic parents can't pick and choose but none the less we are via contemporary values forced to give the sme recognition.

Thats not right.


Dulouz:

I myself was adopted, at under one year of age. Are you saying that it is wrong for me to recognize my adoptive parents as my parents in the same way that other people recognize their biological parents?
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