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turtlepi1
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE
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| Wisco Kid wrote: |
So, I don't think Jesus was a Buddhist. If he was, he wouldn't have taught about his "eternal father in heaven". |
Yes but I didn't say he WAS Buddhist, I said he was influenced by Buddhist teachings...and BECAUSE Buddhism doesn't worship a "god" the two religions are not mutually exclusive...
| whatthefunk wrote: |
| Nope. Buddhism didnt even leave the Indian Subcontenient until about 60 AD so how do you figure it got to Jesus half way around the world? Maybe Buddha had a private jet... |
If you are talking about the religion being exported, perhaps, but if you think there was no mingling of cultures from the Subcontinent you still have quite a bit of research to do.... |
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fondasoape
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2004 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
Don't rabbis of some merit usually contribute to the Talmud, editing here and there and adding things they consider important? My dates are all screwed up though and I can't remember if people in Jesus' time were contributing to it.
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historically, yes -- but the Mishnah only began to be compiled around the time of the destruction of Jerusalem.
| mithridates wrote: |
Anyway...
Now that I think of it there was that other rabbi in Poland I think...Ba'al Shem Tov, who also believed that studying the Talmud wasn't that important, nor prayer times, and that God could be worshiped through a sincere heart irregardless of one's learning. He seemed to be a bit similar to Jesus. |
In essence, BST gave us the Hassidim. Gee, thanks. Just what the world needs: more fundamentalists. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2004 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I just checked Wikipedia and it turns out the Talmud began to be compiled around 200 AD. I wonder if Jesus would've added to it if it was around when he was? |
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whatthefunk
Joined: 21 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2004 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| turtlepi1 wrote: |
| Yes but I didn't say he WAS Buddhist |
Actually you kinda did. The name of this post is 'Was Jesus a Buddhist?'...
| turtlepi1 wrote: |
| If you are talking about the religion being exported, perhaps, but if you think there was no mingling of cultures from the Subcontinent you still have quite a bit of research to do.... |
Of course there was culture trade going on between different regions, but Buddhism wasnt an export until after Jesus had passed. And would the Jews have tolerated Buddhist missionaries if they didnt tolerate Jesus? |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2004 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| fondasoape wrote: |
Flakfizer: would you please edit your posts so that it was clear what is quote and what is comment?
Thanks. |
Yeah. That is confusing and I'm sorry about that. I'm not a frequent poster and am fairly new to all this. I'll figure it out, though. In the meantime, please just consider me "overwhelmed."  |
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turtlepi1
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| whatthefunk wrote: |
| turtlepi1 wrote: |
| Yes but I didn't say he WAS Buddhist |
Actually you kinda did. The name of this post is 'Was Jesus a Buddhist?'...
| turtlepi1 wrote: |
| If you are talking about the religion being exported, perhaps, but if you think there was no mingling of cultures from the Subcontinent you still have quite a bit of research to do.... |
Of course there was culture trade going on between different regions, but Buddhism wasnt an export until after Jesus had passed. And would the Jews have tolerated Buddhist missionaries if they didnt tolerate Jesus? |
I guess if you only read the title I would have to agree with you...the body left it quite clear..(I thought) that I was talking about influence not actually being buddhist...
Again...same theory...his teachings were influenced by Buddhism not that he himself was a Buddhist...look at many Japanese for an example.
Many will say they are Christian but still celebrate/follow shinto and buddhist beliefs because they take the spirit of each...many Western Christians might consider them "false" Christians but I would suggest that is just closemindedness on their part.... |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| fondasoape wrote: |
| Spare me your non-answers: if not a second-rate rabbi, was he a first rate one? |
Jesus was asked a question by the teacher's of the law-and the New Testament has it written that he knew he was being tested, or in our vernacular, dishonest question. So Jesus replied with a non-answer of his own
Was John the Baptist a fool, or a prophet sent from God?
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igotthisguitar
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Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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igotthisguitar
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 6:59 am Post subject: |
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QUOTE From Holger Kersten:
You may not have seen my book "The original Jesus - the Buddhist sources of Christianity". Last year I have joined an International Conference on that topic in Sweden. It is now a scientific fact that the original teachings of Jesus were mostly of buddhist contents. I believe, that he was recognized as a Boddhisattva and that he later ( in the year 78 ) gathered the 4th buddh. Council in Harwan in Kashmir as the living Boddhisattva and authority which was the turning point not only in Buddhism, but also in Hinduism (which was actually not seperated).
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=original+jesus+buddhist+sources+christianity&spell=1
Order of Nazorean Essenes
A Buddhist Branch of Original Christianity
http://essenes.net/subindex8.htm |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| just curious, fondasoape...what if you are wrong and you find yourself standing at the pearly gates? whatcha gonna do when your ticket to hell is punched and you are sent on your way....eternity is a long time, my friend |
Pascal said it better, but this basis for faith has a strong whiff of desparation and insincerity about it.
I don't think dragging Christ through the dog dung is necessary, nor is demeaning other's true faith, but faith based on the fear of being proved painfully wrong does not sound to me like faith at all. I'll bet it wouldn't even get you into heaven, anyway. |
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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
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| Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| Yeah, I just checked Wikipedia and it turns out the Talmud began to be compiled around 200 AD. I wonder if Jesus would've added to it if it was around when he was? |
The Talmud or Wikipedia?
"Wikipedia is a free content encyclopedia written collaboratively by contributors from all around the world. The site is a wiki, which means that anyone can edit articles, simply by clicking on the edit this page link."-- from Wikipedia |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 12:47 am Post subject: |
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The 4th Buddhist Council
The formal rise of Mahayana Buddhism has been dated to around the middle of the 2nd century CE, when the Kushan emperor Kanishka convened the 4th Buddhist Council in Gandhara, which confirmed the formal scission of Mahayana Buddhism from the traditional Nikaya schools of Buddhism.
This was also the time and place of a rich cultural interaction between Buddhism and Hellenistic culture, which influenced the early representations of Buddhas, in what is known as Greco-Buddhist art.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahayana_Buddhism
Interestingly, this was around the same time the Gospels of the "New" testament were growing in prominence as well. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| Hinduism is to Judaism as Buddhism is to Christianity. |
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Plutocracy
Joined: 01 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 8:17 am Post subject: |
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Lets get the Greeks and Romans in here to since they are some major roots of Christianity's popularity today.
Epicureanism and Stoicism both have Eastern roots (Samkhya, Buddhism, etc...), and Christianity is very akin to Stoicism. When the Romans switched from stoicism to christianity it was a minor ideological change since stoicism was already so prevelent. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| endo wrote: |
| Hinduism is to Judaism as Buddhism is to Christianity. |
Interesting.
The Christ of India - Essene Christianity
At the time of Jesus there were two major currents or sects within Judaism: the Pharisees and the Sadducees. The Pharisees were extremely concerned with strict external observance of their interpretation of the Mosaic Law, ritual worship, and theology.
The Sadducees, on the other hand, were very little concerned with any of these and tended toward a kind of genteel agnosticism.
Today these two groups might be compared with the Orthodox and the Reformed branches of Judaism respectively.
There was also a third sect which both was and was not part of Judaism. They were the Essenes, whose very name means "the Outsiders."1 Whether they chose this name for themselves or whether it was applied to them by the disdainful Pharisees and Sadducees is not known. But that they were incongruent (even incompatible) to the normal life of Israel at that time is certainly known.
http://www.atmajyoti.org/spirwrit-the_christ_of_india.asp |
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