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sportsguy35
Joined: 27 Apr 2005
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:59 am Post subject: |
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I am entering the conversation late, please excuse. The lost years. Wherever He went, He had to have studied carpentry. I don't think He just traveled all over world and studied other religions. I know we would love to discredit christianity and attribute the power of his healings to yoga or something he learned in the east. He lived His life as a boy through an adult with few stories. There are a couple stories about his childhood. For example, when he went to the temple and stayed there with the priests. The Bible tells the story from when He was 33 and was baptized. I don't think that buddhism teaches the casting out of demons. Or healings in the name of Jesus. In fact, I dont think you could use yoga and put your hands on somebody and see them healed. It is something that is not that special to certain people. It is a gift from God for those who accept it, anyone who wants it. He relied so much on His father (God). He would have really have to have had mis-interpretted the teachings of Buddha. |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:59 am Post subject: |
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My understanding is that all real religions are essentially bhakti yoga - connecting infintessimal individual souls to the infinite, transcendental Supreme Person through varieties of devotional service. Because there have always been different types of people with different levels of understanding there have been various authorized representatives of God (along with many bogus cheaters...) with distinct missions geared to attract particular types. Jesus's mission was to uplift a more-or-less barbaric class of people to at least the level of material goodness so they could make further progress based on elementary spiritual knowledge. He used the extremely present tense (erkatai) when declaring himself the "only way" to God, and he did not deny the existence of other spiritual messengers . The original teachings of Jesus were naturally similar to Buddha's teachings in regard for compassion to all living beings because both were on the highest level of realization and fully empowered by the seed-bearing Father of all life forms (Krishna). However, Buddha's mission was geared to reach people misusing Vedic scripural injunctions regarding animal sacrifices and - by propagating a brilliant atheistic philosophy - to trick atheists into worshiping an incarnation of God (Himself).
Although there may be apparent corruption due to time and free will, one should not unnecessarily criticize the original spiritual missions and their religious traditions - which can be reformed and revived by elevated souls. For a more sophisticated yet basic elaboration of Vedic spiritual science one should consult an authorized (by disciplic succession) version of Krishna's Bhagavad-gita (Song of God)...
www.krishna.com |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:53 am Post subject: |
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While there are similarities between the 2, I think the biggest difference is in the way each views salvation or nirvana or whatever.
Buddhism teaches that you should follow certain principals and work towards spiritual enlightenment. Some forms of Buddhism seem to me to be almost atheistic in their views, while others (Korean forms) stress bowing to statues of the Buddha and doing service for the temples etc.
Christianity on the other hand teaches that you must accept salvation as a gift of God. Nothing you can work for. While there are 'good works' in the Bible, these in themselves can never lead to salvation. Only through Christ's sacrifice on the cross was salvation made possible. |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:16 am Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
While there are similarities between the 2, I think the biggest difference is in the way each views salvation or nirvana or whatever.
Buddhism teaches that you should follow certain principals and work towards spiritual enlightenment. Some forms of Buddhism seem to me to be almost atheistic in their views, while others (Korean forms) stress bowing to statues of the Buddha and doing service for the temples etc.
Christianity on the other hand teaches that you must accept salvation as a gift of God. Nothing you can work for. While there are 'good works' in the Bible, these in themselves can never lead to salvation. Only through Christ's sacrifice on the cross was salvation made possible. |
Buddhism is not a religion, so I suppose "atheistic" in terms of some external supreme being does make sense. Buddhism is a set of practices and the rituals have, for the most part, either some roll in assisting people in their practices (mindfulness, focus, intentionality, etc.) or some relationship to the ancient shamanistic beliefs in the countries which existed in cultures prior to the arrival of Buddhism. This sort of synchronism occurred here in Korea, where the shamanistic beliefs have become a part of Buddhist culture here.
The Buddha is not an external god, I suppose one could say Buddha nature is our own nature achieved by enlightenment through practice. Bowing to statues of the Buddha, doing service to temples and to other people, etc. are practices largely intended to give a person focus and a develop a practice of compassion and generosity.
There are differences in "Buddhisms" depending on which cultures they have a accreted to, but there are core shared beliefs enshrined in the tripitaka, which is the canon for Buddhists.
As for Christ and Christianity, I have no idea if Jesus was acquanted with Buddhism or not, it would make some sense if he were. Just as Marx said before he died that he was not a "Marxist", maybe it is possible that Jesus would not be so comfortable with what has developed in his name. But I am not a Christian and don't know so much about the history of Jesus, so I can only say that I can see where it is possible. |
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The Man known as The Man

Joined: 29 Mar 2003 Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:18 am Post subject: |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:09 am Post subject: |
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Yes. The rise of Mahayana "Pure Land" Buddhism & subsequent emergence of the Great Bodhisattava Jesus is of no small importance.
Christianity is in essence a Buddhist heresy which came about largely as the result of religio-cultural syncretism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhism
Scratch beneath the surface. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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I think you'd better take a closer read of that article you linked.
It talks about Buddhist influences in ancient Greece.
It does not claim that Christianity is derived from Buddhism.
It talks about a syncretism of Christian and Buddhist thought in Countries like Pakistan. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| This thread is informed by pop-culture ideas of what Buddhism is, and who Jesus was. |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:58 am Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
I think you'd better take a closer read of that article you linked.
It talks about Buddhist influences in ancient Greece.
It does not claim that Christianity is derived from Buddhism.
It talks about a syncretism of Christian and Buddhist thought in Countries like Pakistan. |
Take a closer look? Why?
So the article doesn't clearly come out & say Christianity originated from Buddhism? Fine, i will.
Once again: the hypothesis is that as the result largely of cultural, historical, & religious syncretism, Christianity originated as a Buddhist HERESY.
Jesus, the Great Bodhisattva  |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:22 am Post subject: |
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I have not found any evidence of Buddhists in the Syrian geogrpahical region whether it was Syria-Palestine, Syria-Lebanon, or Syria. They had contact with Iraq, there were some Iranian Buddhists. I haven't found anything really suggesting there was a Buddhist community outside of Iran. Afghanistan had a vibrant Buddhist community at one time.
As far as the Greek heritage, the said region of Roman Syria historically had the Decapolis which, in Greek, means the 10 cities. There were many Greeks all over the place and many cities of the region have Greek and Roman names such as Lattakia, Nablus, Antioch. Amman used to be called Philadelphia. I know a fellow from Syria who has a Greek surname, though he is not Greek. The Greek heritage is ancient there, and Greek philosophy did definitely penetrate that area. It also affect some of the Islamic terms used by Muslims. For example, one word for the devil used by Muslims is Iblis which probably derives from Diabolis in Greek. Issa is what Muslims call Jesus while the Christians call him Yassu. Issa is similar to Issos. We also know Paul preached in Greece in the city of Corinth hence the term Corinthians. The Buddhist idea is much weaker.
As far as re-incarnation that is an old Middle Eastern idea. The ancient Hebrews were said to believe in re-incarnation. Modern Hasidic Jews believe in re-incarnation. Mainstream Jews do not. The Greeks also believed in re-incarnation. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| The Man known as The Man wrote: |
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Yes. The rise of Mahayana "Pure Land" Buddhism & subsequent emergence of the Great Bodhisattava Jesus is of no small importance.
Christianity is in essence a Buddhist heresy which came about largely as the result of religio-cultural syncretism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhism
Scratch beneath the surface. |
Are you aware that this thread has been dead for 2 years? |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| The Man known as The Man wrote: |
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Yes. The rise of Mahayana "Pure Land" Buddhism & subsequent emergence of the Great Bodhisattava Jesus is of no small importance.
Christianity is in essence a Buddhist heresy which came about largely as the result of religio-cultural syncretism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhism
Scratch beneath the surface. |
Are you aware that this thread has been dead for 2 years? |
Oh yes indeed.
And while the historical Jesus has been "dead" now for over 2,000, his mystery surrounding his life story still manages to hugely captivate, arouse & allure.
"Let the dead bury their dead ..."
Metta.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metta |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
I have not found any evidence of Buddhists in the Syrian geogrpahical region whether it was Syria-Palestine, Syria-Lebanon, or Syria. They had contact with Iraq, there were some Iranian Buddhists. I haven't found anything really suggesting there was a Buddhist community outside of Iran.
Afghanistan had a vibrant Buddhist community at one time.
As far as the Greek heritage, the said region of Roman Syria historically had the Decapolis which, in Greek, means the 10 cities. There were many Greeks all over the place and many cities of the region have Greek and Roman names such as Lattakia, Nablus, Antioch. Amman used to be called Philadelphia.
I know a fellow from Syria who has a Greek surname, though he is not Greek. The Greek heritage is ancient there, and Greek philosophy did definitely penetrate that area. It also affect some of the Islamic terms used by Muslims. For example, one word for the devil used by Muslims is Iblis which probably derives from Diabolis in Greek. Issa is what Muslims call Jesus while the Christians call him Yassu. Issa is similar to Issos. We also know Paul preached in Greece in the city of Corinth hence the term Corinthians. The Buddhist idea is much weaker.
As far as re-incarnation that is an old Middle Eastern idea. The ancient Hebrews were said to believe in re-incarnation. Modern Hasidic Jews believe in re-incarnation. Mainstream Jews do not. The Greeks also believed in re-incarnation. |
METTA Adventurer ...
Muslims apparently see Jesus as their #2 ( right below Mohammmed )
Many ( both Mulims & not ) believe he ( i.e. YUZ ASAF ) is buried in Srinigar, Kashmir.
Yeshua Bin Panthera is another name given to JC. He of course knew of reincarnation ( or Re-BIRTH ) as it's sometimes referred. While fundamentalists will try & spin the passages in other ways, the canon version of the NT has long contained references to this as well.
History as the old saying goes hardly occurs in a vaccum. Then of course there's the MISSING YEARS. Was listening to a guy today ( GLEN KIMBALL ) who claims JC travelled the world, mostly by sea, with his great uncle Joseph of Arimethea for a good part of this time.
Interesting what you say of Buddhism. I agree with most as it roughly squares with my understanding of matters.
What i question however is the assertion that Buddha-Dharma NEVER made it to Syria or Palestine.
Didn't you catch my link of Greco-Buddhism?
Ashoka is one great historical figure whose name & legacy are key. Emissaries were dispatched from his Gandharian Kingdom and purportedly met, broke bread, presumably debated, engaged in cultural exchange and the like with the Essenes of Dead Sea lore.
Then there's of course Egypt's Alexandria. Weren't there large libraries baed there some 2000 years ago? Also, surely in all your travels you're at one point or another come across the THERAPEUTAE?
ASHOKA'S EDICTS. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
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Yes. The rise of Mahayana "Pure Land" Buddhism & subsequent emergence of the Great Bodhisattava Jesus is of no small importance.
Christianity is in essence a Buddhist heresy which came about largely as the result of religio-cultural syncretism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhism
Scratch beneath the surface. |
Are you aware that this thread has been dead for 2 years? |
Oh yes indeed.
And while the historical Jesus has been "dead" now for over 2,000, his mystery surrounding his life story still manages to hugely captivate, arouse & allure.
"Let the dead bury their dead ..."
Metta.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metta |
Maybe you should just leave the dead threads be... |
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Ecumenist
Joined: 04 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:53 am Post subject: |
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