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"Rape of Nanking" by Iris Chang
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rumpolestitskin



Joined: 12 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would agree with the above two comments.

Just currious however. . . If periwinkle is not going to buy any more Japanesse products because of the horrible things they did, what country is she going to buy products from. I can't think of a single country in the world that has not done anything bad at some time. Either in war time or in fact to their own.

I'm fairly sure that if you looked back long enough every nation would have done things almost on parr with the Japanesse.
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The arguement is over how bad were the things they did.


This makes sense but it does seem as though this thread has become an argument over the 'size of the atrocity'.

I understand that the point here is to attempt to gauge the accuracy of the book but I just can't shake the feeling that arguing on this board whether it was only a 'small atrocity' on the scale of My Lai (for example) rather than a 'large atrocity' on the scale of Srebrenica or a 'huge atrocity' on the scale of Rwanda seems crass.

For the purposes of this argument does it really matter that it may have only been 20,000 - 30,000 slaughtered instead of 200,000 - 300,000?
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rumpolestitskin wrote:

I'm fairly sure that if you looked back long enough every nation would have done things almost on parr with the Japanesse.

I find that hard to believe but agree with your main point- I won't boycott Japanese cars because of what happened in 1937.
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm... I think I tried to read that book. As well as the memoirs of JHon Rabe in the "Good German of Nanking" but I think the story and photos bummed me out too finish.

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Read in the paper today about how much the Chinese hate the Japanese but still love Mao, who led his own to more deaths by starvation than the Japs by brutality. Seems like we see this all over the place. Blame them devils/foreigners, overlook ourselves.
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whitebeagle



Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Location: UK

PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re: Japanese Apologists
I find it hard to believe anybody seriously trying to defend or euphemise anything the Japanese did under Hirahito, the man who encouraged his people to view all others all sub-human and therefore not worthy of living at all.
My problem with the Japanese is even now they cling to a long dead Imperialist dream and still won't give their old victims the one thing that could start to make amends; their dignity.
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periwinkle



Joined: 08 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the Japanese did apologize to the Korean comfort women, and if a lot of the women really did become comfort women voluntarily, then why do they still protest at the Japanese embassy, and why are they helped by sympathetic Japanese support groups? I've seen interviews with these old women on tv, and they still have a lot of anguish. If they did indeed receive money and an apology, what are they doing on tv saying they want justice?

Alright, alright, I'm not going to boycott Japanese products (don't buy them as it is because they are too pricey). However, once you read the book or see some of those photos, you just wish you could do something. Even something small to honor the victims. Every time I hear of innocent civilians being brutally tortured and killed, I get really upset. I guess I'm on violence overload these days- it's everywhere and its getting worse, and we're helpless to stop it. Note to self: stop watching CSI, Law and Order, and Medium.
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tzechuk



Joined: 20 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Periwinkle............

*Much wants More*.

Ever heard of the saying??

It doesn't matter how much they apologise or how much money is given out, people will still not be satisfied. They will probably have to dig up all the graves of the soldiers who did wrong to condemn them and to say that they were no heroes before these women are happy. Even then, they will still grumble and want more.

Korea, without bashing it, is a country full of people who think they are the only victims in this universe, so they demonstrate to persuade people to feel and think the same...

I might not be right but this is my view.
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read a book written by an ex brit POW, it was shocking what the Japanese did and he called it pretty right about thier mentality. He also said that the Korean guards were worse than the Japanese.

Does this mean we can't like koreans now?

By the way, attrocities were common in world war 2. 300 british prisoners were made to make an airport in the Solomon Islands and then disappeared. Rumor is they are under the airfield.

Things happen. Do we hate for ever?
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paperbag princess



Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: veggie hell

PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think it's time to forgive the japanese. sure, they should appologise officially, but the koreans should appologise for what they did to the veitnamese.
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joe_doufu



Joined: 09 May 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paperbag princess wrote:
i think it's time to forgive the japanese. sure, they should appologise officially, but the koreans should appologise for what they did to the veitnamese.


Yes... and the hippie raver culture should apologize for what it has done to Thailand. LOL!
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ulsanchris



Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: take a wild guess

PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[url]Re: Japanese Apologists
I find it hard to believe anybody seriously trying to defend or euphemise anything the Japanese did under Hirahito, the man who encouraged his people to view all others all sub-human and therefore not worthy of living at all.
My problem with the Japanese is even now they cling to a long dead Imperialist dream and still won't give their old victims the one thing that could start to make amends; their dignity.
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I'm not trying to defend Japan's history. I would like to see a more honest history of the time. I would also like to see it put into proper perspective. As i said before i don't think you will find anyone who says that japan didnt' do bad things. What I don't like is people purposely distorting history. Korea purposely distorts its history so its young people hate Japan. One way to build national unity is to have an enemy. I personally think this is dangerous. I also hate the way koreans are also trying to convince themselves that they are unique and special. It is a very insular way of thinking.
I should also like to say that I don't like what Japan is doing with their history. They did a lot of bad things and the young people of Japan should know it.

Why do the comfort women protest? Here are a couple of thoughts. There were the 20% or so that were forced into it. So maybe quite a few of the protesters are part of that 20%. I also don't think that the ones who did volunteer would not likely come forward and say that they volunteered. Also I don't think that any of the comfort women, volunteer or forced, liked the job and protest for a bit of revenge and compensation.
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah, Gord pops up like clockwork to deny the rape of nanking. but where's gwangjuboy and shakuhachi? no doubt watching old episodes of sailor moon and gazing at their favorite purikura.

i love these threads. it's cool how on message boards, a few people can get together and manufacture their own reality.

i don't know about this idea of boycotting japanese products. i like to get my used schoolgirl panties in a safe and legal way.
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shakuhachi



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

billybrobby wrote:
ah, Gord pops up like clockwork to deny the rape of nanking. but where's gwangjuboy and shakuhachi? no doubt watching old episodes of sailor moon and gazing at their favorite purikura.


Whatever. Japanese are asked to 'admit' that they massacred between ten thousand and three hundred thousand people. Which is it? And why is this coming up more than 60 years after the event? What is the agenda of people that are trying to keep people stirred up and angry against present day Japanese that had nothing to do with it?
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shakuhachi wrote:
billybrobby wrote:
ah, Gord pops up like clockwork to deny the rape of nanking. but where's gwangjuboy and shakuhachi? no doubt watching old episodes of sailor moon and gazing at their favorite purikura.


Whatever. Japanese are asked to 'admit' that they massacred between ten thousand and three hundred thousand people. Which is it? And why is this coming up more than 60 years after the event? What is the agenda of people that are trying to keep people stirred up and angry against present day Japanese that had nothing to do with it?


In the case of the koreans, I believe the government seeks to distract them from the realities of the economy and of it's true foreign policy.

As for China, well I truely think that the government there is trying its darndest to hold on to power and has raised a generation of uneducated world haters.
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paperbag princess



Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: veggie hell

PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joe_doufu wrote:
paperbag princess wrote:
i think it's time to forgive the japanese. sure, they should appologise officially, but the koreans should appologise for what they did to the veitnamese.


Yes... and the hippie raver culture should apologize for what it has done to Thailand. LOL!


becuase supporting thailand's tourism industry is on par with slaughtering entire villages during the vietnam war for fun?
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