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some waygug-in
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igotthisguitar
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>. Par for the course really. Do as we say ... NOT as we do  |
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joe_doufu
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| Every country does this... they join NAFTA, GATT, or WTO to get concessions from other countries, while trying to bend the rules as much as they can in their own favor. Negotiation doesn't get left behind as soon as the documents are signed... it's a permanent state of affairs. |
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wannago
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:10 am Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
| Every country does this... they join NAFTA, GATT, or WTO to get concessions from other countries, while trying to bend the rules as much as they can in their own favor. Negotiation doesn't get left behind as soon as the documents are signed... it's a permanent state of affairs. |
Oh c'mon joe. That's just too easy. The "blame America first" crowd will never go for this. It makes too much sense. |
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some waygug-in
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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Where has Canada changed the rules?
Can you show us any instances of this?
Where has Canada not followed the agreement?
If every country does this, why even have an agreement? |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
| Every country does this... they join NAFTA, GATT, or WTO to get concessions from other countries, while trying to bend the rules as much as they can in their own favor. Negotiation doesn't get left behind as soon as the documents are signed... it's a permanent state of affairs. |
Are you on crack?
The rules are the rules- both sides signed and agreed to abide by the rules as laid out in NAFTA. The issue has been to 3rd party arbitration 3 times. The US has failed to prove its case every time.
And here's a newsflash, Joe- the current state of affairs is bad not only for the Canadian lumber industry but the American construction industry and the American consumer. A special interest group is unfairly receiving the benefits of inflated lumber prices in the US. |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
| Negotiation doesn't get left behind as soon as the documents are signed... it's a permanent state of affairs. |
Wait, I think I get it... if you had mentioned the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of prisoners of war right off the bat I would have totally understood where you were coming from. |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
| joe_doufu wrote: |
| Negotiation doesn't get left behind as soon as the documents are signed... it's a permanent state of affairs. |
The rules are the rules- both sides signed and agreed to abide by the rules as laid out in NAFTA. The issue has been to 3rd party arbitration 3 times. The US has failed to prove its case every time. |
Yeah, right! TANSTAAFL! |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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So I guess it's kind of like hagwans and contracts then.
You expect them to abide by the contract, because you have to but they expect to change things "willy-nilly" according to whatever whims they can come up with at the time.
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:11 am Post subject: |
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| I think in retaliation we should stop all export of electricity to eastern Uniteted States. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:53 am Post subject: |
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| I think in retaliation we should stop all export of electricity to eastern Uniteted States. |
Sure if you want America to declare war... "Hi, we're going to ruin your economy (and the Quebec economy) with the flip of a switch. Oh, you mean that's not an invitation to war?"
That's almost like one country choking off another country's downstream water supply or denying a nation's innocent seaborne commerce access to an international waterway. Both are viewed as 100% justifications for going to war.
The EU a few years ago had a brilliant response to Bush putting an illegal duty on EU steel. Bush knew it was illegal but he needed the swing votes in 2002. The EU told Bush they would levy a similar duty on products these swing vote states exported to Europe. Whatever short term economic benefit Bush's move would give these states would be balanced out by the economic hit incurred by exports being shut off. Bush had a fit. He called the head of the EU trade commision and told him he considered this personal. But you know what? Bush backed down. |
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Bulsajo
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
| Every country does this... they join NAFTA, GATT, or WTO to get concessions from other countries, while trying to bend the rules as much as they can in their own favor. Negotiation doesn't get left behind as soon as the documents are signed... it's a permanent state of affairs. |
Oh, please. This isn't renegotiating, it's plain and simple violation of a treaty and utter disrespect for international protocols and institutions the US had previously agreed to abide by when signing the treaty. We see the same thing at the World Court, etc., etc.
But when Saddam doesn't abide by international law... |
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