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RachaelRoo
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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| Butterfly wrote: |
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butterfly: lady, or man, or whatever you are, what you said is a condescending and racist suggestion and I'm asking you for proof. I don't care if that is not the main topic of the thread - I'm not going to let you get away with this one.
And it's pretty clear that you are too stupid to understand the context of what I wrote, but I challenge you to prove me wrong. Go ahead, back up your racist suggestion. Prove me wrong. Incorporate facts to do this.
It's this underlying, 'let's not call it what it is' racism that gives the rest of us whities a bad name. |
You're not very bright, are you? |
How ironic that all you can do is call me stupid, yet you refuse to substantiate or retract your racist suggestion. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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How ironic that all you can do is call me stupid, yet you refuse to substantiate or retract your racist claim. |
I find it astonishingly ironic that you choose to brand another poster a racist despite refering to people from Africa as "darkies" yourself in this very thread! Throw in the fact that Butterfly merely declared it a possiblity that Africans are more promiscuous (not exactly an earth shattering claim at that) and your posts add up to a mixture of boredom and trolling. But it was the fact that you chose to use the word "ironic" that dumbfounded me the most. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Not all of them, just the gay ones. |
Homophobia is this centurys racism, and we are still in the 60's-70's attitude, comments like Bulsajo's are little minded.
Ignorance and lack of education is a contributing factor to the spread of the HIV virus, when the world is educated and prejudice's and preconceptions of how the virus is spread is changed then maybe we will stand a chance of fighting the disease back. |
Sorry, I just caught this- you thought I was serious? I thought you'd been here long enough to know me better than that.
An absurd topic (quarantine of AIDS victims) deserves an absurd comment, which is what I gave. I thought it was so obvious that it didn't require any explanation. My apologies for going over your head. |
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RachaelRoo
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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Oh goddamit, the 'darkies' was an attempt to mock the white attitutude that some people have - you know the one I mean - we don't call it racism but we presume that we are some how superior - like we can keep our pants on in matters of life and death and they can't.
By you logic g-boy, if I merely suggest it is possible that black Africans are less intelligent then I don't even need to substantiate this claim. It is, after all, only a suggestion, right?
Does anyone else out there find the suggestion that Africans are more promiscuous than whites condescendingly racist?
I didn't call Butterfly a racist at first, I asked for ether proof or a retraction and he/she refused. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| RachaelRoo wrote: |
| By you logic g-boy, if I merely suggest it is possible that black Africans are less intelligent then I don't even need to substantiate this claim. It is, after all, only a suggestion, right? |
Considering the poor state of education in Africa, and sky high illiteracy rates it wouldn't exactly be an outragious claim would it? Especially considering that you tempered it with the word "possibility." |
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Freezer Burn
Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
| Not all of them, just the gay ones. |
Homophobia is this centurys racism, and we are still in the 60's-70's attitude, comments like Bulsajo's are little minded.
Ignorance and lack of education is a contributing factor to the spread of the HIV virus, when the world is educated and prejudice's and preconceptions of how the virus is spread is changed then maybe we will stand a chance of fighting the disease back. |
Sorry, I just caught this- you thought I was serious? I thought you'd been here long enough to know me better than that.
An absurd topic (quarantine of AIDS victims) deserves an absurd comment, which is what I gave. I thought it was so obvious that it didn't require any explanation. My apologies for going over your head. |
Obviously they need a sarcasm emoticon  and it wasn't over my head, it was mis-interpreted  |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree that things don't add up entirely, and the stuff I threw into the discussion only partly explains things. South East Asia for example is an anomaly. Interestingly, it has been shown that circumcision helps reduce ones chance of catching the disease. That goes some way in explaining why rates in Korea and Japan have remained so low despite a thriving culture of prostitution. |
There does seem to be quite a lot on the net about inadequate healthcare, and infected needles being a large cause of HIV infection in Africa, which would explain a lot. Some claim up to 60% of HIV positive Africans were infected not by sexual activity, but by infected needles after having antibiotic injections and so forth. This has kind of cleared it up for me.
Thanks for help with that poster. |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Interestingly there are a number of stories "out there" re: individuals who were infected & then knowingly went out & shared their contaminated "body fluids" with unsuspecting bedfellows. |
Just for the record, I don't agree with any of the racist crapola on this thread, but here's what I've heard: HIV is transmitted through open wounds, including microscopic abrasions, that come into contact. Because of the nature of sex, it's easier for a woman to catch it from a male than vice-versa, and anal sex or rape are far more risky than conventional sex. In Africa there is a lot of rape, a lack of contraception and sexual education. You also have male and female circumcision done under less than perfect conditions. Also there is a belief that sex with a virgin "cures" all ailments, so RE the above quote, it is likely that men who know they have AIDS are raping young girls.
AIDS spreads slowly in the USA and Europe because educated people can protect themselves through safe sex and avoidance of risk factors like contaminated needles. In Africa it spreads because, due to frequency of rape, women don't have control of their own sex lives, and because people don't have education about prevention. As we all know, prevention is much more effective than treatment of this disease, and Africans don't have the tools to protect themselves. |
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RachaelRoo
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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I have read that if two heterosexuals have unprotected sex, and one has HIV, the odds of transmission are less than 1 in 100. I don't have the source on hand - anyone know?
This makes the spread of AIDS in Africa harder to explain, especially in regions where it is found in 40-50% of the population.
I believe that it is so rampant in Africa because that is where it began and that is where it has time to spread.
I am educated about condom use thanks to my western education, but you know what? I still only use them half the time, usually only if I miss a pill. I am aware of STDS, but when I'm horny and drunk I often don't care quite so much. I suspect that people everywhere feel this way regardless of level of education. |
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RachaelRoo
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Come on, admit it! Do we university educated teachers even use condoms all of the time??
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| RachaelRoo wrote: |
| I am educated about condom use thanks to my western education, but you know what? I still only use them half the time, usually only if I miss a pill. I am aware of STDS, but when I'm horny and drunk I often don't care quite so much. |
You sound easy. What's your number?
| RachaelRoo wrote: |
| I suspect that people everywhere feel this way regardless of level of education. |
What, are you kidding? Unprotected sex (unless you're monogamous) is dangerous. |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| RachaelRoo wrote: |
| Come on, admit it! Do we university educated teachers even use condoms all of the time?? |
Yes! |
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RachaelRoo
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| You use a condom every single time? Honestly? Even in a monogomous relationship, you never know. Your partner could be cheating or could have something they don't know about. |
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RachaelRoo
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
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| Come on, admit it! Do we university educated teachers even use condoms all of the time?? |
Yes! |
Well, you may make better decisions than I do, but level of formal education has little to do with it.  |
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RachaelRoo
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
| RachaelRoo wrote: |
| I am educated about condom use thanks to my western education, but you know what? I still only use them half the time, usually only if I miss a pill. I am aware of STDS, but when I'm horny and drunk I often don't care quite so much. |
You sound easy. What's your number?
| RachaelRoo wrote: |
| I suspect that people everywhere feel this way regardless of level of education. |
What, are you kidding? Unprotected sex (unless you're monogamous) is dangerous. |
I admit to not always using condoms on an AIDS discussion thread and you want my number? Not smart!! |
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