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Gord

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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It goes to show the confusion that can arise when you ask about health matters on Dave's....
This poster is advising you to do the opposite of the Atkins Diet, which, healthy or unhealthy, has been proven to be the only diet which really works in a quick way without starving yourself. |
Atkins works by selectively starving yourself. Once you step off the diet, you explode back up beyond what you were before. On top of that, you aren't suppose to exercise while on it which reduces one's metabolism.
Plus the related health issues that come with it such as heart and kidney disease.
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The problem in your diet and most overweight peoples diet is not really fat but sugar. Our processed food diet is laden with carbs which are essentially sugar. Breads, pastries, cookies, pasta, rice, potatoes, fruit, soda etc. That stuff tastes so good because it's full of sugar!! |
Refined sugar is the issue as foods using it are handicapped with reference to other minerals and nutrients which forces the body to use other sources such as micro-nutrient stores or even body tissue itself. Sugars found in regular foods like fruit aren't a problem. |
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RachaelRoo

Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Eamo, I'm no expert, but I believe that either diet - the Atkins or the reverse Atkins - will work. What I suggested will cut down your fat level, thus causing weight loss. Atkins does the same with carbs.
I personally did eliminate meat and dairy two years ago. Combined with proper exercise, I lost 40lbs , and I have manage to keep it off since. I am also sick less, which may or may not be related to my diet change (or, more likely, the weight loss from the diet change). |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Most people who do Atkins only as a short-term way to lose weight are successful in those terms. They do lose weight short term. The OP wants to lose weight quick for his upcoming wedding. I'm addressing the OP's short-term needs. Atkins offers the best way to do that. If he feels like gorging on carbs and soda after his wedding and getting his basketball back, then, that's up to him.
Low-fat diets work much more slowly and really need to be accompanied with an exercise regime. I doubt a low fat diet would reduce the basketball much within one month.
With Atkins, exercise is not advised for the hard-core induction period. About two weeks during which you should eat no sugar at all. After that, some carbs can be eaten and exercise should be no problem. Then it becomes a low-carb diet. Not too scary at all really. |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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I agree, first, that long term a carbohydrated restricted diet is not so healthy. But there are different types of carbs. Refined foods- sugars and carbohydrates (including white rice) are not healthy for your weight, your metabolic system and your heart. Complex (i.e., unrefined) carbohydrates are healthy and necessary.
Second, I agree that Atkins is not so healthy, but in the short run will help break the simple carbohydrate habit. In the long run, it just is not healthy. But most people here don't really have a concept of "the long run" yet.
The South Beach diet is a more sustainable Atkins diet, but I also do not prefer it for the long run. It includes a lot more fruits and vegetables.
There is a topic that I haven't seen addressed too much, but I think is crucial, and has helped me maintain a reasonably healthy weight for a long time, and that is "beverages".
Somehow "beverages" have become a huge source of calories on their own, and they have no real nutritional advantage over foods and water. Sodas and carbonated drinks are full of sugars or chemicals. Fruit juices are the sugary part of fruit without the fiber necessary to digest the huge amounts of sugars in them. Alcohol? Another overwhelming source of empty really sugary calories. Milk? Are you a baby? If you think you need the calcium it supplies, eat yoghurt or take supplements. Four glasses of milk a day, which is often assumed to be necessary, is a lot of calories and even non-fat is not that healthy or necessary.
There are at least four aisles of Homeplus that should be ignored entirely by anyone interested in nutrition and weight control.
Drink tons of water! It is the necessary part of "beverages" without the calories and sugars and other unhealthy factors. Eat whole fruit- do you need the equivalent of six oranges to start your day? Ten apples? Grapes? Damn, they are so full of sugar they are used to sweeten other drinks! I know that it is heresy to say so, but most fruit juices are unhealthy because if the high sugar content. (I do make an exception for a small glass a day of pomegranite juice, which is supposed to be mondo healthy, and eating pomegranites is not really an option.)
Okay, there is my anti-beverage rant. By the way, you will save a lot of money in the bargain by switching to water.  |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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desultude wrote: |
Somehow "beverages" have become a huge source of calories on their own, and they have no real nutritional advantage over foods and water. Sodas and carbonated drinks are full of sugars or chemicals. Fruit juices are the sugary part of fruit without the fiber necessary to digest the huge amounts of sugars in them. Alcohol? Another overwhelming source of empty really sugary calories. Milk? Are you a baby? If you think you need the calcium it supplies, eat yoghurt or take supplements. Four glasses of milk a day, which is often assumed to be necessary, is a lot of calories and even non-fat is not that healthy or necessary. |
Well, endofthewor1d's poor thread has been driven way off-course now, but I'd just like to say that I agree with this. I haven't given up on drinks completely, since I'll drink milk once in a while for heartburn or cola for a headache, and still like cola with a meal or a run at the beer, but I gave up on most of the other stuff a long time ago.
Water, green tea, all that other crap that tastes like crap...it's all healthy. |
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