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Penelope

Joined: 23 Aug 2005
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:31 am Post subject: Teaching Private Lessons |
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I am moving to Korea in about a month or so and I am a bit confused about teaching private lessons on the side? How common is this? Is it actually illegal, or is it one of those things that everyone looks the other way on? When are the best hours to teach private lessons? How well do they pay, and how does one go about procuring an assignment?
Whew! I know that's quite a few questions, but I would really appreciate any perspective or experience people have with private lessons, as I am trying to figure out my budget right now.
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jlb
Joined: 18 Sep 2003
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:46 am Post subject: |
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Do a search...it has been talked about extensively. It is illegal and people do get caught, fined and deported. Just a word of warning. |
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RachaelRoo

Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Don't risk it. I know someone who did - they managed to stay in the country but it wasn't fun to get caught. It seems that Korean immigration actually does bother to go after people for this. It's not like smoking weed in Canada illegal - it's enforced.
If you wanna make extra $ while you're here, you could try and find a school that offers overtime hours and a good overtime rate. Some schools do private lessons, which are legal for foreigners to teach (provided the school is the one which holds your visa). |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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You wil not find a lot of helpfull advice on this board in relation to teaching privately.
Most here know someone (or have themselves) that have been in trouble with immigration. Large fines, deportation and possible jail time await.
Just last month, 39 teachers were arrested in Busan for illegal teaching (on tourist visas). I met one when he was on his way to the airport. Nice guy, but very unhappy  |
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Penelope

Joined: 23 Aug 2005
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:29 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the help. What is a good rate for overtime pay? |
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The Man known as The Man

Joined: 29 Mar 2003 Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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Penelope wrote: |
Thanks for the help. What is a good rate for overtime pay? |
YOu won't be making any money doing privates.
Privates are illegal.
HTH |
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Penelope

Joined: 23 Aug 2005
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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The Man known as The Man wrote: |
Penelope wrote: |
Thanks for the help. What is a good rate for overtime pay? |
YOu won't be making any money doing privates.
Privates are illegal.
HTH |
Yes, thank you. I was writing about overtime in reference to the hagwon job I plan to get. What should I look for in overtime stipulations in my contract? |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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Penelope, I really think you should listen to The Man. He's telling you the truth. |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Penelope wrote: |
The Man known as The Man wrote: |
Penelope wrote: |
Thanks for the help. What is a good rate for overtime pay? |
YOu won't be making any money doing privates.
Privates are illegal.
HTH |
Yes, thank you. I was writing about overtime in reference to the hagwon job I plan to get. What should I look for in overtime stipulations in my contract? |
I don't teach at a hogwan, but my overtime rate at a university ranges from 11,000 ( ) to 30,000 won per hour. I think this is in the range of standard.
As for privates, it is illegal, as has been noted. Many people do it and get away with it, but it is the proverbial crap shoot. It can cost you a lot of you get caught. |
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Cohiba

Joined: 01 Feb 2005
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:00 pm Post subject: Privates |
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DON'T listen to these people. Privates are the only way to
make money in this country. Any other way just makes some
grease-ball hagwon owner rich. I have been a freelancer for
5 years and have never had any problems. You make your own
hours, your own vacations and if you don't like a class you can
dump them PDQ.
Most of the people who post on this board are the "nerds who sit
at the front of the class types" who give shiny apples to the teacher.
The rest of us in Korea, 99%, teach privates.
Current Rates for Privates:
Residential - 50,000W/hr.
Corporate - 100,000W/hr. for the first hour and 50,000W thereafter
Remember:
1/ Never give your real name.
2/ Never give your address.
3/ Never use a recruiter. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Those are some pretty impressive hourly rates Cohiba. I have a question for you though, how do you provide a receipt? With massive outflows of cash like that, would not a company need to explain it? (you can PM if you'd prefer) |
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RachaelRoo

Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Penelope: I get 20,000 per hour overtime and 25,000 on Saturdays. I'm not really sure what is considered good, but I find this pretty descent. Anyone else out there care to share what they get? |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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Those are some pretty impressive hourly rates Cohiba. I have a question for you though, how do you provide a receipt? With massive outflows of cash like that, would not a company need to explain it? (you can PM if you'd prefer) |
Good questions Captain.
I would add that cohiba is speaking on his behalf and that there have been many teachers deported, fined and caught in the past few months out of the 99% of us who teach pvts.
Also Cohiba..sorry but you can make money teaching without doing privates. All you need is experience, contacts and the know-how to find the better jobs out there.
Finally teaching privates is illegal hence it is a risk vs reward decision. Any long-timer here would have to seriously weigh the value of earning a few more bucks over the possibility of being deported. The same would hold true of short timers (1-2 years) as well.
If you decide to teach pvts, no worries. But, this comes with risks and if the person gets caugh they have nothing to do or say but pay up and leave if deported. They have no bitching or whining to do as they rolled the dice and lost.
We had a teacher at our school last year who got busted on his third month in Korea doing pvts. He got fined and deported. Now, what did he gain? Maybe a few hundred thousand won more per month for the 3 months. How does that stack up vs a year of pay at 2.5 (which is what he was getting) plus the severance package and some possible bonuses for doing editing and curriculum development?
Risk vs reward baby.... |
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Veronica

Joined: 29 Aug 2005
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know of anyone that has been caught. I don't know of anyone that has even come close to being busted. I know a lot of people who have made a ton of money, either working plus privates or only privates. I don't know one single teacher that has been here or is here who hasn't done a private.
Like anything else in life, if you are stupid, then it is going to go wrong. If you are careful with how you do things, then there should be no worry. |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Veronica wrote: |
I don't know of anyone that has been caught. I don't know of anyone that has even come close to being busted. I know a lot of people who have made a ton of money, either working plus privates or only privates. I don't know one single teacher that has been here or is here who hasn't done a private.
Like anything else in life, if you are stupid, then it is going to go wrong. If you are careful with how you do things, then there should be no worry. |
I don't teach privates. Now you know at least one teacher who doesn't teach privates. I have found that, over time, there are plenty of opportunities for me to pick up extra teaching at my school. It doesn't pay as much, but it is convenient and safe.
I don't condemn people who teach privates, but I just don't want to take the risk. |
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