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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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I'm driving to Montreal, where gas prcies are even higher.
A 2 hour drive each way plus driving around town, it'll probably cost me around an extra $40 CDN or so than what I had planned.
But no point in putting it off, I don't expect gas prices to come down much in the near future, if ever.
Might as well start getting used to it.
And for those who were trying to figure out litre to gallon and various money conversions, here's what I read in the paper today (prices are CDN per litre):
Amsterdam 1.99
Rome 1.83
London 1.79
Frankfurt 1.67
Tokyo 1.48
Venezuela .04
Egypt .19
Kuwait .22
Saudi Arabia .29
China .55
Russia .62
Even at CDN $1.50/litre, it's still less than 1980 prices, adjusted for inflation.
All info taken from Earl McRae's column. |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| only plebes read The Ottawa Sun and Earl the Pearl |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Believe me
I used to feel the same way about Earl when he stuck to sports columns, but somebody actually posted a thread in the off topic forum about the guy and I started to pay more attention. He's had some damned good columns. Yeah, the Sun isn't half of what the Citizen is, but a newspaper is its editors and journalists and I'll take a MacRae column over- for example- that idiot at the Citizen David Warren. |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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I do sympathise with the fact that American culture has been built around the car, but nevertheless cheap gas prices there have a direct effect in driving up the cost of petrol elsewhere. And that hits poor people elsewhere.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1561271,00.html
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Petrol to hit £1 a litre after US buys up supplies
Ashley Seager
Friday September 2, 2005
The Guardian
Motorists were warned last night that petrol prices seem certain to pass £1 a litre within days after Hurricane Katrina wiped out many of the oil refineries on the US Gulf coast.
As US oil companies bought up 20 shiploads of European petrol yesterday, the wholesale price of petrol on the Rotterdam spot market soared to a record of $855 a tonne (more than $100 a barrel), up more than 20% in two days and something experts said would feed through to the forecourt within days. |
That's around US$1.85 a litre, or US$7 a (US) gallon.
I quite agree that the poor shouldn't suffer over high gas prices, but America's low gas prices have a direct effect in keeping prices high elsewhere, particularly when it's booming demand as much as restricted supply of oil which is causing the high prices. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| hypnotist wrote: |
I do sympathise with the fact that American culture has been built around the car, but nevertheless cheap gas prices there have a direct effect in driving up the cost of petrol elsewhere. And that hits poor people elsewhere.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1561271,00.html
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Petrol to hit £1 a litre after US buys up supplies
Ashley Seager
Friday September 2, 2005
The Guardian
Motorists were warned last night that petrol prices seem certain to pass £1 a litre within days after Hurricane Katrina wiped out many of the oil refineries on the US Gulf coast.
As US oil companies bought up 20 shiploads of European petrol yesterday, the wholesale price of petrol on the Rotterdam spot market soared to a record of $855 a tonne (more than $100 a barrel), up more than 20% in two days and something experts said would feed through to the forecourt within days. |
That's around US$1.85 a litre, or US$7 a (US) gallon.
I quite agree that the poor shouldn't suffer over high gas prices, but America's low gas prices have a direct effect in keeping prices high elsewhere, particularly when it's booming demand as much as restricted supply of oil which is causing the high prices. |
I agree. The problem for me is that too many people here, both from the U.S. and otherwise, treat the U.S. as if it were a unified whole, without taking into account the vast socio-economic differences.
I would, even taking that into account, support much higher gas prices if they were caused by increased taxation, and the tax dollars were spent of alternative energy and transportation, instead of going into the pockets of exactly the people who prevent that from happening- the oil kingpins and their servants in Washington. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| hypnotist wrote: |
I do sympathise with the fact that American culture has been built around the car, but nevertheless cheap gas prices there have a direct effect in driving up the cost of petrol elsewhere. And that hits poor people elsewhere.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1561271,00.html
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Petrol to hit £1 a litre after US buys up supplies
Ashley Seager
Friday September 2, 2005
The Guardian
Motorists were warned last night that petrol prices seem certain to pass £1 a litre within days after Hurricane Katrina wiped out many of the oil refineries on the US Gulf coast.
As US oil companies bought up 20 shiploads of European petrol yesterday, the wholesale price of petrol on the Rotterdam spot market soared to a record of $855 a tonne (more than $100 a barrel), up more than 20% in two days and something experts said would feed through to the forecourt within days. |
That's around US$1.85 a litre, or US$7 a (US) gallon.
I quite agree that the poor shouldn't suffer over high gas prices, but America's low gas prices have a direct effect in keeping prices high elsewhere, particularly when it's booming demand as much as restricted supply of oil which is causing the high prices. |
I agree. The problem for me is that too many people here, both from the U.S. and otherwise, treat the U.S. as if it were a unified whole, without taking into account the vast socio-economic differences.
I would, even taking that into account, support much higher gas prices if they were caused by increased taxation, and the tax dollars were spent of alternative energy and transportation, instead of going into the pockets of exactly the people who prevent that from happening- the oil kingpins and their servants in Washington. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| hypnotist wrote: |
I do sympathise with the fact that American culture has been built around the car, but nevertheless cheap gas prices there have a direct effect in driving up the cost of petrol elsewhere. And that hits poor people elsewhere.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1561271,00.html
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Petrol to hit £1 a litre after US buys up supplies
Ashley Seager
Friday September 2, 2005
The Guardian
Motorists were warned last night that petrol prices seem certain to pass £1 a litre within days after Hurricane Katrina wiped out many of the oil refineries on the US Gulf coast.
As US oil companies bought up 20 shiploads of European petrol yesterday, the wholesale price of petrol on the Rotterdam spot market soared to a record of $855 a tonne (more than $100 a barrel), up more than 20% in two days and something experts said would feed through to the forecourt within days. |
That's around US$1.85 a litre, or US$7 a (US) gallon.
I quite agree that the poor shouldn't suffer over high gas prices, but America's low gas prices have a direct effect in keeping prices high elsewhere, particularly when it's booming demand as much as restricted supply of oil which is causing the high prices. |
I agree. The problem for me is that too many people here, both from the U.S. and otherwise, treat the U.S. as if it were a unified whole, without taking into account the vast socio-economic differences.
I would, even taking that into account, support much higher gas prices if they were caused by increased taxation, and the tax dollars were spent of alternative energy and transportation, instead of going into the pockets of exactly the people who prevent that from happening- the oil kingpins and their servants in Washington. |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere
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| Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| It's not just the Car, it's the House. Both are fundamental factors in the North American way of life. In almost every other developed country, people live in apartments, or at least very petite houses, in cities. Americans on the other hand are obsessed with having their own homes and two cars in the driveway. In America, apartments are for college students and poor people. America will have to adjust, people will have to start living near the places they work, shop, and play, but it will be incredibly painful, because the amount of money they have sunk into the soon-to-be obsolete Suburbs is phenomenal. |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:31 am Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
| It's not just the Car, it's the House. Both are fundamental factors in the North American way of life. In almost every other developed country, people live in apartments, or at least very petite houses, in cities. Americans on the other hand are obsessed with having their own homes and two cars in the driveway. In America, apartments are for college students and poor people. America will have to adjust, people will have to start living near the places they work, shop, and play, but it will be incredibly painful, because the amount of money they have sunk into the soon-to-be obsolete Suburbs is phenomenal. |
I thought 80% of the US population lived in cities? The figure in Europe is considerably lower. Only 10% of French people live in cities of 150,000+ people.
I'd be interested to see what the figures for people living in houses are, country by country. I can believe American houses are larger though. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
| It's not just the Car, it's the House. Both are fundamental factors in the North American way of life. In almost every other developed country, people live in apartments, or at least very petite houses, in cities. Americans on the other hand are obsessed with having their own homes and two cars in the driveway. In America, apartments are for college students and poor people. America will have to adjust, people will have to start living near the places they work, shop, and play, but it will be incredibly painful, because the amount of money they have sunk into the soon-to-be obsolete Suburbs is phenomenal. |
Yeah, you can see this changing in the DC area (Arlington and Alexandria especially), as well as San Francisco. New housing in SF is more vertical, with more and more high rise apartments being built (thankfully not designed by South Koreans  ). In DC, the areas near metro stations have been built up- literally- quite extensively in the past 5-10 years and willl no doubt continue to do so. Personally I like built-up areas more than suburbs, which makes us so dependant on cars. So much nicer being able to walk out your door and do all your errands w/in a few blocks. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:55 am Post subject: ... |
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I just talked to Joo privately about making a $5 gas tax in America to fix things.
Now, it seems that gas will soon be at that price sooner than thought before.
And, according to my info, oil companies are recording record earnings?
Is that right?
Can someone explain the rationale for the gas hikes? |
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bignate
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
Location: Hell's Ditch
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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Can someone explain the rationale for the gas hikes? |
To make profits?
Not just ordinary profits, but mega profits - that is capitalism at its most refined.
Context, ethics, ends/means are all superfluous - the bottom line, pardon the pun, is "profits" |
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