|
Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
|
 Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:22 pm Post subject: Getting a work PERMIT versus a work VISA for F-2 holders |
 |
|
Upon PURPLE BUDHA (sp.)'s request, I am writing, once again, how you can obtain a work permit, instead of a work visa to teach legally (or, as a matter of fact, work legally) inside Korea.
If you are not married, you need to get a work visa. These are the E type VISAS.
If you are married to a Korean national and have obtained an F type family visa, you can simply go to your immigration office and get a work PERMIT. These are NOT visas.
The main difference of these two types of work visa/permit is on the sponsorship.
Work VISA is sponsored by your place of work. Work PERMIT is sponsored by your spouse.
With a work VISA, your workplace is responsible for everything you. If you should choose to do to runner, they will hold it against you. And when you want to go teach at another place, you will need a release letter.
With a work PERMIT, your spouse is responsible - your place of work cannot hold it against you if you leave - i.e. there's no release letter required.
I came here with a E-7 visa. After I got married, they gave me a work permit.
Look below for a sample passport stamps:
Original work visa (E-7, my husband's company):
E-7 with F-2 added half way...
Work PERMIT after I got married:
Work PERMIT for the English teaching job I had when a friend opened a hagwon but needed cheap labour!!!
Note that nowhere does it say it is an E-2 visa
Notice the end dates for both permits were the same - 25th July, 2004. So I had TWO jobs at the same time.
So I didn't work after that because I was pregnant but you get the idea.
Here's the form for a work PERMIT:
I don't know what the form for a visa looks like and I couldn't find it from their website...
==================
So you see, I DO know what I am talking about because I have done it.
I hope this settles the matter. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
skconqueror
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
|
| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 1:26 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Great post, very informative. I think it is definitely worthy of being a sticky. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
|
| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:25 am Post subject: |
|
|
Agreed, I went through pretty much the exact same thing.
Thanks for taking the time to put this up here. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Veronica
Joined: 29 Aug 2005
|
| Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 3:43 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Once you have an F-2 visa, any extra visas or work permits are stuck on the back of your alien registration card. My friend has 2 E2's on the back of his F2. Immigration didn't look too happy apparently, asking for 2 E2 permits, but they have to do it by law. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
|
| Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 6:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| With your spouse being the sponsor, is it possible to get him/her in trouble? Say, if there's a serious dispute with a shady owner. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Veronica
Joined: 29 Aug 2005
|
| Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| If you have an F2, from what I have read, if you are caught, they will only fine you. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
|
| Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I don't mean teaching privates. I mean a situation in which a shady hagwon boss decides to screw you, you fight over it and maybe you quit or get fired. So then he decides to punish you by going after your permit sponsor--your spouse.
I certainly wouldn't want to expose my spouse to that risk. Is such a scenario possible? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
purple_buddha
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
|
| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:20 am Post subject: |
|
|
Tzechuk, thank you for the post. I never said you didn't know what you were talking about; I just wanted to know WHAT to do, because my wife and I discussed this option before. She didn't think she could sponsor me, due to the nature of her small business having nothing to do with teaching English.
Does this permit mean you were registered to work for your husband's company in any capacity?
Were you legally teaching at your friend's hagwon? If immigration were to catch you, wouldn't you still be facing a possible fine and/or difficulties renewing your F-2?
Hater Depot has a good point about possibly getting your spouse into trouble, if a teaching gig really went sour under the permit. (Working for a friend is not the same as working for some unknown director.)
I guess my wife and I will have to give it a go and see what happens.
(I'm simply paranoid after my last school had a surprise visit from immigration three weeks after my contract finished; they were fined, because my replacement was still waiting on transcripts to arrive.) |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
|
| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:42 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
| Does this permit mean you were registered to work for your husband's company in any capacity? |
No, the F2 means that the spouse is the primary sponsor for residence.
To add employment of any kind you must get immigrations approval. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
|
| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:52 am Post subject: |
|
|
And just for the record, if you have an F2-1 visa you can break your contract halfway through and start work at another business with no repercussions.
I just did that this summer. I talked to my first boss and said look I want to quit and start elsewhere and I'm giving you notice as per the contract. He told me "no, you can't quit" I said I could. it went back and forth.
Long story short, I am working at my new place of employment without any hassles. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
pegpig
Joined: 10 May 2005
|
| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:00 am Post subject: Re: Getting a work PERMIT versus a work VISA for F-2 holders |
|
|
| tzechuk wrote: |
With a work VISA, your workplace is responsible for everything you. If you should choose to do to runner, they will hold it against you. And when you want to go teach at another place, you will need a release letter.
With a work PERMIT, your spouse is responsible - your place of work cannot hold it against you if you leave - i.e. there's no release letter required.
|
No. With an f2 you can leave a place of employment w/o bothering with a visa run or release letter. I quit my miserable job last year and didn't have to do anything other than quit. That's one of the beauties of the F2. This has been done to death in many other threads.
| tzechuk wrote: |
I hope this settles the matter. |
No. I don't think this matter will ever be settled here on Dave's. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
|
| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:44 am Post subject: |
|
|
| purple_buddha wrote: |
| Tzechuk, thank you for the post. I never said you didn't know what you were talking about; I just wanted to know WHAT to do, because my wife and I discussed this option before. She didn't think she could sponsor me, due to the nature of her small business having nothing to do with teaching English. |
Your wife is not supporting you because she runs a business, she is supporting you in the sense that she is your wife and she is Korean. You still need to go get a teaching job, get a contract, then go to the immigration office to get a permit to do this teaching job. It's just that the hagwon won't have anything to do with the permit, that's all.
[quoteDoes this permit mean you were registered to work for your husband's company in any capacity? [/quote]
My first permit that I got after I got married gave me the right to work in my husband's company, yes. I was, and still am, the vice president of the company.
| Quote: |
| Were you legally teaching at your friend's hagwon? |
Yes, I was. Hence the second work permit. Of course, I was only part-timing at the hagwon, so it was quite easy to get the work permit.
| Quote: |
| If immigration were to catch you, wouldn't you still be facing a possible fine and/or difficulties renewing your F-2? |
They wouldn't *catch* me teaching privately because the same entitlement appeared on my ARC (Alien Registration Card) and it was enough to tell the immigration officer that I was legal - they never came to the hagwon though.
| Quote: |
| Hater Depot has a good point about possibly getting your spouse into trouble, if a teaching gig really went sour under the permit. (Working for a friend is not the same as working for some unknown director.) |
I don't see how. If the hagwon screws you, it's between you and the hagwon, not between you and the hagwon and the wife. Your wife's sponsorship only really affects you and the immigration office. If immi, for example, finds that you got a work permit for one place, but you were working at two places, then your wife would get into trouble. She is the one totally responsible for "vowing" that you will follow the law legally.
I mean.. in other countries, let's take the UK for example, if one spouse gets sued, the other spouse has nothing to do with it, unless it is money (your next of kin is directly responsible for any money you owe) or fraud (they need to check if your wife is your partner).
I don't know if this is clear.. it's kinda difficult to explain, but in a nutshell, no, your wife shouldn't be personally affected by the hagwon.
| Quote: |
I guess my wife and I will have to give it a go and see what happens.
(I'm simply paranoid after my last school had a surprise visit from immigration three weeks after my contract finished; they were fined, because my replacement was still waiting on transcripts to arrive.) |
With a work permit, you are totally legal. They will put it at the back of your ARC to state that you are legally working at that place. So don't worry. Go find a job, get a contract, take along your degree certificates (I wasn't even asked for a transcript), your wife's hojockdongbun (this is the only difference between getting a E-2 and a work permit, they need to verify that you two are married) to immi. If you are working, you will need a letter from your present workplace to say that they can spare you during the hours you work at your second job. When you get there, fill in the form I showed you, get some stamps and you shouldn't have a problem getting the permit.
Hope this makes things a little clearer. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
|
| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:46 am Post subject: Re: Getting a work PERMIT versus a work VISA for F-2 holders |
|
|
| pegpig wrote: |
| tzechuk wrote: |
With a work VISA, your workplace is responsible for everything you. If you should choose to do to runner, they will hold it against you. And when you want to go teach at another place, you will need a release letter.
With a work PERMIT, your spouse is responsible - your place of work cannot hold it against you if you leave - i.e. there's no release letter required.
|
No. With an f2 you can leave a place of employment w/o bothering with a visa run or release letter. I quit my miserable job last year and didn't have to do anything other than quit. That's one of the beauties of the F2. This has been done to death in many other threads.
Isn' t that what I said.. I just forgot abotu the visa run thing, that's all.
Mind you, once you have an F-2, you don't need to go on visa runs to get an E-2, should you want one, anyway.
| tzechuk wrote: |
I hope this settles the matter. |
No. I don't think this matter will ever be settled here on Dave's. |
Well... yeah... let's hope it will make it a little bit clearer, anyhow. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
yesterday's child
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
Location: better for me if you don't know.
|
| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:57 am Post subject: |
|
|
| i've been following this thread. it is very informative. please, can anybody outline point by point the clear differences and benefits of having a F2-1 (or F2) compared to a E2? sorry if i'm being unintentionally redundant. thanks. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
riley
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: where creditors can find me
|
| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:18 am Post subject: work permit |
|
|
| Good information but (maybe I missed it) can anyone tell me if I need my wife or the employer to go with me to immigration when I get the work permit? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
