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Getting a job in Korea as an Asian-American
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cvitur1



Joined: 31 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:32 pm    Post subject: Getting a job in Korea as an Asian-American Reply with quote

Hi-

I'm looking into doing the whole ESL thing in Asia, specifically Korea and have been told by a recruiter that it will be difficult for me because I am not caucasian even though I speak English as my native language. What are other people's experience with this? Are there any Asian-Americans(of non-Korean descent) over there teaching now? Did you have a hard time finding a job? Any advice? Thanks everyone!!

Charlie
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ninjamonkey



Joined: 17 Jun 2005
Location: where the streets have no name

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sup. i'm chinese canadian, i'm going over there in a couple of weeks to daegu.

my experience has been mostly positive, i've had alot of non responses to my inquires, don't get me wrong, but i managed to find something relatively quickly (2 weeks). i found that getting a TEFL certification really helped, even a internet one

i'm pretty happy with the offer i got, but i guess we'll see in a couple of weeks

good luck
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cvitur1



Joined: 31 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ninja, I sent u a PM, but just in case, would you mind telling me who you went through?
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try a search on this site. There are a number of other Asian-Americans who have gone through the job search successfully who have posted. You can PM them for advice.
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cubanlord



Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey there OP. Cool I recently offered a Korean-American a job for decent money here. It will be a tad bit more difficult for you to find a job. However, if you have the relevant qualifications, then it shouldn't be a problem. Now....keep in mind....she is a Korean-American...BUT....has everything relevant to teaching English:

-Graduated with an English Degree from a well respected American Uni.
-Has relevant experience teaching English
-etc.

You will need more relevant qualifications when compared to a "whitey"; you can still find something good. Where there's a will there's a way.
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Kwai_Chang_Kain



Joined: 16 Feb 2005
Location: The Borg Collective

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm Asian Canadian and it took about 4 months of searching to land a job here. I eventually found a recruiter willing to help me out and so far everything is going OK after 2 and a half months. My hagwon isn't the greatest but it's far from being the worst. PM me if you want to know which recruiter I used.
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idodaegu



Joined: 10 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a British-Chinese, and I found it very difficult for many schools and recruiters to take interest in my application (1.Being asian-looking, 2.being British).

The way I found my position was through the resume boards. I posted my resume on Dave's. A hagwon emailed me some questions, I answered them, they liked my replies, so I had a telephone interview with the manager of the foreign teachers (a Canadian guy), and the next day he told me I had the job! I did my homework on the school and accepted the position.

Before I flew over to Korea, my school hadn't even seen my photo or anything (which I think is uncommon practice in Korea). However, I made sure that they knew that I was of Chinese origin. Being a Christian, I put my who job searching to divine intervention!

I've been here just over a month already and everything is going great. My school is very supportive, the accommodation is excellent, my location is great, and the teaching schedule isn't too heavy.
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OCOKA Dude



Joined: 04 Oct 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cubanlord wrote:
You will need more relevant qualifications when compared to a "whitey"; you can still find something good. Where there's a will there's a way.


I'll have to disagree with you cubanlord. It would seem this would be true only if the person doing the hiring is a complete racist and bigot. I've found, however, that for every racial bigot in Korea who hires people according to the color of their skin, there are many others who don't. That you would only consider hiring a Korean American if they had blue-chip qualifications is really unfortunate and a reflection of your own bigotry. I suggest you drop the racist attitude -- you won't get far in life with it.
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wwidgirl



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 11:24 am    Post subject: not true Reply with quote

I know that a lot of problems that non-white people have getting a job in korea are due to the fact that PARENTS want white people teaching their kids english. It's for show. Therefore the hagwons prefer white people. That is why oftentimes non-whites need better credentials.

To recognize this fact is not reflective of racism but rather of the reality.
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changmee



Joined: 10 Apr 2005
Location: Yongin, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My husband is Asian-American and he had little difficulty finding jobs in Korea. When he first started looking, recruiters told him that it would be hard to find a hawgon that would hire him. However, he chose not to deal with any recruiters or hagwons that made that claim. Our first year we negotiated directly with the hagwon (SLP). Our second year we were hired on at a public high school. They had no problem with him being Asian-America. Good luck!
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fidel



Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ

PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just an aside why do you insist of polarising yourself into racial categories. There is no country called Asia-America so why do you label yourself as Asian-American? Wouldn't it be better to call yourself American of Asian descent. I know it sounds pedantic but it seems to me that there are no actual Americans everyone is (Insert ethic race)-American!

AS to your question check out YES Youngdo. They don't generally select teachers on race.
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OCOKA Dude



Joined: 04 Oct 2004
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:43 pm    Post subject: Re: not true Reply with quote

wwidgirl wrote:
I know that a lot of problems that non-white people have getting a job in korea are due to the fact that PARENTS want white people teaching their kids english. It's for show. Therefore the hagwons prefer white people. That is why oftentimes non-whites need better credentials.

To recognize this fact is not reflective of racism but rather of the reality.


The problem is that white skin does not mean good English teacher. That there are ignorant parents out there -- and Hagwon directors and English teachers who willingly encourage such thinking is pure and simple racism and bigotry, regardless of whether it is the reality or not.

Also, fyi, at the adult Hagwon I taught at, Korean-American instructors were consistently the most popular and sought after teachers for conversation, business and reading and writing classes. Why were they the most popular with students? It wasn't b/c of blue-chip qualifications or advanced degrees. It was simply b/c they understood their students' situations and knew how to meet their students' needs without being condescending, without being patronizing and without being arrogant.

Unfortunately, the fact is that while there may be some competent white English teachers out there, oftentimes their arrogance and patronizing attitudes get in the way of being truly effective with Korean adult students over the long haul. Korean Americans, however, are able to get over themselves quicker when teaching in Korea, which is why they make better esl teachers in the long haul.
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Gord



Joined: 25 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OCOKA Dude wrote:
I'll have to disagree with you cubanlord. It would seem this would be true only if the person doing the hiring is a complete racist and bigot. I've found, however, that for every racial bigot in Korea who hires people according to the color of their skin, there are many others who don't.


If this statement were true, then this forum would have far fewer people saying "I"m Asian and haven't found a job after lookings for weeks/months!"

Make no mistake, it's rarely done under "Caucasians are better teachers" but rather the parents want to see Caucasians as it underscores the claim that the foreign teacher really is a foreigner and not some Korean who may or may not speak English well as well as parents wanting their kids to interact with a foreigner for motivation and other venues.

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That you would only consider hiring a Korean American if they had blue-chip qualifications is really unfortunate and a reflection of your own bigotry. I suggest you drop the racist attitude -- you won't get far in life with it.


He was saying that all things being equal in education and work history, a Caucasian will get the job over an Asian. And it's true. You throw me in a room against twenty other random Asians of roughly equal backgrounds or even slightly better, and the job will be mine. To deny that is to say that you and the Easter Bunny went on a double date with the Tooth Fairy and her cuter, younger sister last night.
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Picture Perfect



Joined: 29 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:28 pm    Post subject: I guess that'd look something like this........... Reply with quote

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pest2



Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada

PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:10 pm    Post subject: Re: not true Reply with quote

wwidgirl wrote:
I know that a lot of problems that non-white people have getting a job in korea are due to the fact that PARENTS want white people teaching their kids english. It's for show. Therefore the hagwons prefer white people. That is why oftentimes non-whites need better credentials.

To recognize this fact is not reflective of racism but rather of the reality.


Yes, It is true that the market demands force hakwon owners down a path of discriminatory hiring. But regardless of whether it is the market or the person hiring, basing the decision about whom to hire on race is racism. "Racial discrimination" is, by definition, making decisions of exclusion on the basis of race.

I have a friend who is Australian-of-Chinese descent and she has been looking for a job on Jeju Island now for 2 months. She has 3 years of ESL teaching experience. Employers are interested in her until they see her photo. Then they wont even call her back to tell her they're not interested. Korea is a racist society.
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