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gypsyfish
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: only difference between 'looting' and 'finding' |
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Did you read the snopes article? According to that, it wasn't a racial issue.
That said, I think it was, too. |
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gypsyfish
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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let 'em take the food and water...it's the only compassionate thing to do...
but for those LOOTING Nikes, jewelry, etc....shoot the motherf*s...stealing is stealing
this is a perfect example of the black "hip hop" culture in America..the lack of morals, the wanton violence, the predatory sex...shoot the bastards, regardless of color....line 'em up and shoot 'em |
What if they take the Nikes because they have no shoes? Shooting seems a bit strong. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| gypsyfish wrote: |
| funplanet wrote: |
let 'em take the food and water...it's the only compassionate thing to do...
but for those LOOTING Nikes, jewelry, etc....shoot the motherf*s...stealing is stealing
this is a perfect example of the black "hip hop" culture in America..the lack of morals, the wanton violence, the predatory sex...shoot the bastards, regardless of color....line 'em up and shoot 'em |
What if they take the Nikes because they have no shoes? Shooting seems a bit strong. |
Why are they shooting at rescue workers? |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
| gypsyfish wrote: |
| funplanet wrote: |
let 'em take the food and water...it's the only compassionate thing to do...
but for those LOOTING Nikes, jewelry, etc....shoot the motherf*s...stealing is stealing
this is a perfect example of the black "hip hop" culture in America..the lack of morals, the wanton violence, the predatory sex...shoot the bastards, regardless of color....line 'em up and shoot 'em |
What if they take the Nikes because they have no shoes? Shooting seems a bit strong. |
Why are they shooting at rescue workers? |
I suspect that the people stealing Nikes are not the same people shooting at the rescue workers. 
As the mayor of New Orleans has pointed out, the few, and they are relatively few, people committing the real crimes in New Orleans such as shooting and raping are criminals and drug addicts. These people are everywhere in the country. The same thing would happen if circumstances were the same in New York, Los Angeles, and probably even Salt Lake City. There was no law and order, it was anarchy of the worst most desperate kind. Take away all of the restraints in almost any city in the world, and the picture would be the same. |
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skinhead
Joined: 11 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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This was taken two days ago. I seriously don't know whether to laugh or cry.
It has oft been quoted that: "Any nation is but three meals shy of anarchy". |
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yesterday's child
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
Location: better for me if you don't know.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: only difference between 'looting' and 'finding' |
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| gypsyfish wrote: |
Did you read the snopes article? According to that, it wasn't a racial issue. |
what was it then, a grammatical error on the part of the reporter? it reeks of racism anyway you read it or see it and i bet my last won that the reporter referring to the 1st man as 'looting' is a white boy. 
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| That said, I think it was, too. |
yeah, you and the rest of us enlightened people... |
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funplanet
Joined: 20 Jun 2003
Location: The new Bucheon!
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| Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry to dissappoint you, Desultude...but I do not have any anger issues...
stealing is stealing....but I imagine the morals-lacking lefties simply cannot understand that...
if they are hungry, turn a blind eye...but anyone else who is stealing for the hell of it....shoot 'em
this is what happens when the hip-hop culture and the left come together....total collapse of any civility and moral courage |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| funplanet wrote: |
Sorry to dissappoint you, Desultude...but I do not have any anger issues...
stealing is stealing....but I imagine the morals-lacking lefties simply cannot understand that...
if they are hungry, turn a blind eye...but anyone else who is stealing for the hell of it....shoot 'em
this is what happens when the hip-hop culture and the left come together....total collapse of any civility and moral courage |
If your morality tells you to shoot someone for stealing something, then I am very glad we have a different concept of morality. That sort of vigilante justice is not allowed in civilized society- but I can see where one would forget that little fact with the current world view of the right of the United States in power.
Anger issues are hard to identify and deal with. But it has been pretty well established that law and order, shoot to kill ethics are driven by anger, not compassion. You get to choose.
http://www.alternet.org/story/14639/
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According to George Lakoff, a UC Berkeley University cognitive scientist and author of "Moral Politics," the anxiety-provoking anti-terrorism actions and messages of fear of the Bush administration fall into the category of the "strict father" mode of communication.
Lakoff concludes that the country is dramatically split between two ways of understanding the world. Some see this division as political – conservative vs. liberal. But Lakoff argues that it is ultimately a moral division, one derived from how people envision the right kind of family. Hence it is also a personal division.
Lakoff believes that the "strict father" mode is at the bedrock of conservative ideology. This morality "assigns highest priority to such things as moral strength ... respect for and obedience to authority [and] the setting and following of strict guidelines of behavioral norms." Nurturant parent morality, by contrast, "requires empathy for others and the helping of those who need help. To help others, one must take care of oneself and nurture social ties." This morality provides the basis for progressive/liberal ideology.
Clearly, in this post-Clinton period, where a fundamental assumption is that the world is a dangerous place, and people must be protected, the strict-father worldview is in ascendance. And the conservatives know it, and they know how to use it.
As Lakoff underscores, "Over the past thirty years conservatives have poured billions of dollars into their think tanks. They have articulated the system of moral and family values that unifies conservatives; they have created appropriate language for their vision; they have disseminated it throughout the media; and they have developed a coherent political program to fit their values." Lakoff argues that this infrastructure of ideas and values is the essential reason "for the success that conservatives have been enjoying, despite the fact that they appear to be the minority." |
It's funny to me that the libertarian minded type are so taken with a big daddy, authoritarian government. And also ironic that so many western conservatives on this board are critical of Korea's Confucian society. |
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Dan The Chainsawman
Joined: 05 May 2005
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I had a strict conservative daddy, but I never remember him advocating lining people up and shooting them.
As horrible as the situation is in the Southern United States I think people are forgetting the triumphs that are coming out of the area as well. The sensationalistic media once again is preying on the worst possible aspects of the situation.
What about the person who rescued 70 people with a bus? Where are those types of spirit lifting stories? Not to downplay the situation, but as usual the headline grabbing reporters are out for their stories.
I was going to rant and rave about politicians, but I have depressed myself enough for one day. So I will conclude in regards to my feelings on looters.
They are American's who live in a country who deserve the due process of the law. I do understand that the rules of engagement for a situation like this are extremely different. It is a disaster area, but none the less the bill of rights extends even a person who is looting rolex's from a department store civil liberties. As the rules of engagement are modified I believe only one clear verbal warning needs to be given, before non lethal measures are used to subdue the suspect. If he resists violently lethal force to protect the lives of the authorities, and other bystanders.
Politically I am fairly conservative, but I have no desire to sign away more of my rights as an American on some idiotic agenda to satisfy some half baked reporters, and other moronic political interest groups. We have tried that twice before its called the Patriot Act, and Patriot Act 2. |
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funplanet
Joined: 20 Jun 2003
Location: The new Bucheon!
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:02 am Post subject: |
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Typical liberal psycho babble, Desultude.....typical liberal psycho babble....you guys justify immoral behaviour because it makes you feel good....it's too hard to choose what is right so f* it...just do it if it makes you feel good
now celine dion is on the bandwagon telling them to loot all they want 'cause they are poor.... WTF?
just what kind of morality is that? it's okay to break the law because they are poor????? any "poor" person with a sense of morality, with a sense of what is right and wrong WILL NOT STEAL a grocery cart of Nikes, break into ATM machines, a handful of gold chains, etc.....they will simply not do it!!!
this is a result of 40 years of liberal bs in America and it's coming back to bite people in the ass...
it's okay to steal from people? it's okay to take from those who work and produce and sweat and toil? absolutely not....
YOU, my friend, have your morals all assbackwards
you wanna steal from my house or my store you gonna get an ass full of buckshot... |
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yesterday's child
Joined: 26 Apr 2005
Location: better for me if you don't know.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| funplanet wrote: |
| blahblahblah...you wanna steal from my house or my store you gonna get an ass full of buckshot... |
not if you're a floating corpse with your brains blown out and your shot gun shoved up your ass because your idiotic conservative government guard mistakenly took you for a light skinned black 'looter,' mr. limbaugh. 
dee, have my love child. i love you. no, really! i swear i do.  |
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funplanet
Joined: 20 Jun 2003
Location: The new Bucheon!
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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This has nothing to do with politics...it has to do with the morality of "NOT STEALING FROM YOUR BROTHERS!"
don't you people get it? |
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little mixed girl
Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Location: shin hyesung's bed~
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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i don't see how "hiphop culture" has anything to do with anything.
people in other countries in similar situations do the same type of things.
i remember in dec after the tsunami hearing about ppl that were raping and ppl that were selling children into slavery or sex or something.
hiphop culture and liberalism had nothing to do with that.
in desperate situations, bad ppl are going to come out and try and take advantage.
after one of the hurricanes in florida last summer there were reports of ppl filing false/multiple claims for money. those were mostly whites, is that because of hiphop culture, etc?
who cares if they take some smelly nikes that are getting moldy?
i don't advocate ppl going into untouched stores to steal non-essentials, but if that stuff is underwater, go for it.
no ones going to buy a laptop that's been floating around feces and smells like it. |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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About half of what went on was looting. Looting goes on in US central cities during these episodes. It doesn't look good at all. No one was in danger in LA during the Rodney King riots or when sports teams do well. People won't invest in the central city and people say bad things about those Black people but sometimes they deserve it. Someone's gotta grow up. Looting really did happen. The materials that were looted belonged to someone else. It was their investment, their property. You can bully there in public but in private something else happens. You can live 30 days without food, people started stealing on the first day. The young and infirm need help but less so the adults.
Were these things borrowed with the intent to pay back? The morality matches. I understand there was duress but property reassignment isn't during the matter has never been part of it. I am entitled to everything you own during bad summer rains? Who decides when bad really is bad and who decides how much is appropriate?
Will the plasma TV sets be returned? |
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little mixed girl
Joined: 11 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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since ppl can go for 30 days without food, then those old ppl i saw on dateline nbc taking food from a busted whole foods store should put it back?
even the diabetic chick?
please, most ppl are not taking plasma tvs.
going into someone's house/property and just taking stuff is one thing.
but if it's underwater, damaged, food, then fudge walmart; take it.
you try going 30days without food and see what's up.
ppl are dying from dehydration, there are bodies in the streets covered with plastic, i heard that rats are eating dead bodies.
if ppl were more "organised" about collecting food, then no one would care.
like i said, NO STORE/CHAIN in their right mind is going to resell products to the public that have been damaged by water.
if you would rather medication/food rot on the shelves than "give" it away to someone who needs it, then that says something about your character.
it's one thing to say that online, but if you were there, you;d be taking food too. especially if you have no idea of how long it'll take before help reaches you.
no one has touched on my points though...about what's happened in other disasters.
of course, there are ghetto ppl that mess stuff up for everyone, but that's them. that's not everyone in the city. |
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