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ribena berry
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
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 Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:50 pm Post subject: gluten free in South Korea?? |
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| I'm on a strict gluten free diet & heading tosouth korea. Does any one else have to cope with this & got any advice??? |
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Cedar
Joined: 11 Mar 2003
Location: In front of my computer, again.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Since there is no real need to eat bread... the only question would be, does rice have gluten? I think it doesn't (remembering a disastarous attempt to bake bread with 100% rice flour). If so... what could be easier? No noodles, just rice and Korean food, very little (besides o-deng) with hidden flour in it... I'd say Korea would be easy for a no-gluten person.
ps most bread in Korea doesn't taste so good anyway... they fill it with dough conditioners and sugar! They eat bread for dessert, not sandwiches. (In general). |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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It's not that simple, unfortunately. There is wheat flour in some surprising places in Korean cuisine. One particularly common item is dwenjang, a soybean paste similar to miso that is used for very popular soups.
It's also in gochujang, which is a red pepper paste that they slather on just about everything.
This topic has, believe it or not, been discussed before on this board. Do a search for "gluten" and "celiac", and you will find a few threads on the subject.
It is certainly possible to live here as a celiac, I've done so for nearly 4 years. |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| no offense, but do a search on how crappy the search function is |
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peemil
Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Location: Koowoompa
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| What the hell is gluten? |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| The Man known as The Man wrote: |
| no offense, but do a search on how crappy the search function is |
Fair enough, it has been pretty unreliable lately, so here are links to some threads on the subject. OP, if you still have questions after you read these threads, please feel free to ask.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=42284&highlight=gluten
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=35757&highlight=gluten
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| What the hell is gluten? |
It's a protein found in the all-too-common wheat, barley, rye, and oats. Some people with a condition called celiac sprue cannot properly digest it, which causes all kinds of unpleasantness, kinda like lactose intolerance.
If you don't get sick every time you eat a sandwich or drink a beer, there probably isn't any need to lose any sleep over not knowing what gluten is.
By the way, if you are gluten intolerant, you may be happy to know that I have found a bakery in Incheon that makes 100% rice flour bread. It has a surprisingly good texture for wheat-free bread, and it basically tastes like white bread (or so my wheat-eating friends tell me, I wouldn't know from firsthand experience what that tastes like.
Here's how to get it:
3,500won per loaf of rice bread
delivery charge is 5,000W(Seoul) or 6,000W(other cities)
How to order
1. Have your Korean friend call the Greenbee/���� Bakery (located in
Incheon)
Tel number is 032-542-3957 (open until 12:30am) and place your order.
2. Wire the money and give the bakery a confirmation call.
Bank:Nonghyup
Account: 176-01-153398
Name: Eon Nyeon Lee
I usually receive it within one or two days of placing the order and the bread freezes just fine, so I order 8 loaves at a time to save on shipping costs. |
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peemil
Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Location: Koowoompa
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| Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the reply. Very informative. |
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simone
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Now Mostly @ Home
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I saw gluten-free muslix at MyongDong Lotte Department store, in the "whole foods" secton. Pricey, but if you've got a craving it may be worth it. |
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Zed
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Shakedown Street
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| Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| The Man known as The Man wrote: |
| no offense, but do a search on how crappy the search function is |
This must make life quite difficult for an archivist such as yourself. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 3:33 am Post subject: Re: gluten free in South Korea?? |
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| ribena berry wrote: |
| I'm on a strict gluten free diet & heading tosouth korea. Does any one else have to cope with this & got any advice??? |
You're kinda $%^& out of luck if you eat a lot of rice. Korean rice is high in gluten. |
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weatherman
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| If you don't get sick every time you eat a sandwich or drink a beer, there probably isn't any need to lose any sleep over not knowing what gluten is. |
Yes, and No.
Wheat doesn't make me sick, but it clearly doesn't make me feel that good if I eat a lot of it. Same goes for dairy. My body doesn't accept these food well, and I can feel a mood swing within an hour after eating too much wheat or dairy and my stomach will be hotter than the rest of my body for hours, some times up to a day, and it affects my sleep too. I know if I eat some pizza, I will suffer.
small amounts I am fine. Barley and rye and oats doesn't seem to affect me nearly as much. (thank god, for then beer would be out.) |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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Hmmm, that doesn't sound good. You say you "don't feel that good" if you don't eat wheat (especially), barley, rye and oats. You aren't specific, but the most common symptoms are nausea and diarrhea. Lactose intolerance is also common among untreated celiacs, but after being on a gluten-free diet this often goes away once the small intestine heals. Mood swings and depression among untreated celiacs, or those who eat gluten by accident, are also common.
Here is a more complete list of symptoms. You may want to read this on an empty stomach: http://www.celiac.com/st_prod.html?p_prodid=6&p_catid=2&sid=91hH9H1FYMTr0af-20105231850.ba
The website [url]www.celiac.com [/url]has a lot of helpful information.
If you believe you may have celiac sprue please take it seriously and see a doctor about getting diagnosed (this is not the most pleasant of procedures, luckily I was too young to remember it). This disease is easily treated with a gluten-free diet, but it can be fatal if you don't diagnose and treat it. |
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linzdude
Joined: 19 Sep 2005
Location: Anyang
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:58 am Post subject: throw a celiac a gluten-free bone |
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I am a recently diagnosed celiac who recently moved to South Korea. I have SO many questions for anyone living here with this disease:
1. What's safe to eat in restaurants? I've been preparing all of my own food because Koreans don't really understand diet restrictions especially when it comes to things like cross-contamination, not having any serious food allergies themselves. I thought gimbop was safe, but then I heard that they treat their ham with flour!!
2. What's safe to buy in the grocery store? Does the rice here ever get cross-contaminated with barley? What about green tea - do they add any other grains to it? Are other kinds of meat safe to buy? Do cola products here contain gluten (in some countries caramel colour is apparently derived from a gluten source).
3. What about toiletries - lotions, soaps, shampoos, cosmetics. Which are safe here? What's the best way of getting in contact with the Korean branch of a company to ask them whether or not their product contains gluten here in SK?
And about gluten in rice - this type of gluten is safe for celiacs.
One more thing: I am in the process of doing extensive research into the Korean food and drug industry as they apply to celiacs. I'm hiring a bilingual University student to help me. Does anyone have any thoughts/insight into this project? I want to publish information for other celiacs who want to travel Asia. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:58 am Post subject: Re: throw a celiac a gluten-free bone |
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| linzdude wrote: |
I am a recently diagnosed celiac who recently moved to South Korea. I have SO many questions for anyone living here with this disease:
1. What's safe to eat in restaurants? I've been preparing all of my own food because Koreans don't really understand diet restrictions especially when it comes to things like cross-contamination, not having any serious food allergies themselves. I thought gimbop was safe, but then I heard that they treat their ham with flour!! |
You're probably a bit more sensitive than I am. Beef and tuna kimbap usually won't have ham or sirimi (artificial crab meat) or odeng (fishcakes) that some kinds of kimbap have. If the place you're at does put those items in, ask them not to or just poke out the offensive ingredients.
You have a lot of choices in Korean restaurants, though. Here is a (by no means complete) list of things that are safe:
1. ���� (Sam Gyeop Sal) - Roasted side pork, usually wrapped in lettuce.
2. ������ (Kam Ja Tang) - A hearty stew made with potatoes and pork bones.
3. �κα�ġ (Too Boo Kimchee) - A plate of warm tofu and kimchee, often served with soju.
4. ����� (Bee Gee Chee Gay) - A thick stew made from the skins of the soybeans.
5.���� (Soon Doo Boo Chee Gay) - A spicy soup made with soft tofu, clams, egg, and vegetables (a personal fave of mine)
6. ��ä (Jhap Chay) - A dish of clear noodles mixed with various vegetables. (the noodles are made of sweet potatoes, this is common in Jeollado and in Chinese restaurants in Korea)
7. �˹� (Ahl Bap) - Fish eggs and vegetables mixed with rice. A bit like bibimbap
8. ��ġ������ (Kim Chee Boke Um Bap) - Kimchi fried rice
9. ��ġ������ (Cham Chee Boke Um Bap) - Stir-fried tuna and kimchee with rice.
10. �������� (Saeng Sun Gooey) - Grilled fish
12. ��ġ��� (Cham Chee Kimbap)- Tuna and vegetables rolled in rice and seaweed. (�Ұ�����/beef kimbap should also be OK
13. ������ (Noo Duh Kimbap) - Vegetables and other ingredients rolled in seaweed and rice with the rice facing out. (watch out for ham, odeng, and artificial crab meat, though)
15. �ſ��� (Mae Oon Tang) - Spicy stew made with whole fish.
17. ���� (Tokk Gook) - Flat round rice cakes in a thin broth, commonly served on Lunar New Year's Day.
19. ���ܹ� (Tole Sut Bap) - Rice and vegetables served in a hot stone bowl.
21. ������ (Say Ooh Cheot) - Salted shrimp, used as a seasoning for pork or for making kimchee. (this is really a condiment, not a meal)
22. ������ (So Long Tang) - A soup made from beef broth, spring onions, rice, salt, and red pepper paste. (there are usually noodles in this dish, but often they are ���, which are sweet potato noodles, be sure to ask)
24. ���� (Tak Jook) - Thick porridge made from chicken broth, sticky rice, ginseng, garlic and salt.
25. ���� (All Tang) - Spicy soup made from fish eggs, red pepper, spring onions and other seasonings.
26. ���� (Jang Oh Goo Ee) - Marinated and barbecued eel filets wrapped in lettuce.
27. ����� (Sam Gye Tang) - A whole chicken stuffed with rice, jujubes, garlic and ginseng and boiled whole.
The grilled meats in general are also kosher, but you may want to avoid bulgogi because it's soaked in soy sauce which often has wheat. Can't go wrong with grilled fish, sashimi, sushi or tofu either.
Oh, and soju is made of sweet potatoes, so that's OK. 
Most of the side dishes except for odeng or anything that's obviously breaded should be fine. Kimchi based dishes shouldn't be a problem either.
I eat out a lot, in fact I go for months at a time without cooking.
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| 2. What's safe to buy in the grocery store? Does the rice here ever get cross-contaminated with barley? What about green tea - do they add any other grains to it? Are other kinds of meat safe to buy? Do cola products here contain gluten (in some countries caramel colour is apparently derived from a gluten source). |
As far as I know, rice in Korean grocery stores is not contaminated with barley or other grains(Is this a problem in your home country?) , but some restaurants mix barley or other grains (usually millet or wild rice) in. That's easy enough to spot.
The two meats you should generally avoid are Korean "ham" and "sausage" (it's really just different kinds of hot dogs) which sometimes have more flour than meat. I don't think you're missing much TBH.
My lower intestine tells me there's nothing wrong with the green tea or the Coke, but I've been treated since a young age so I may be less sensitive than you are. I haven't researched it further.
The bad news is that I have learned from trial and error that Korean labels are often less than complete. A label may not mention wheat being in it, but that doesn't necessarily mean it isn't there.
Also, make sure you get in contact with that bakery I mentioned earlier in this thread about 100% rice flour bread.
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| 3. What about toiletries - lotions, soaps, shampoos, cosmetics. Which are safe here? What's the best way of getting in contact with the Korean branch of a company to ask them whether or not their product contains gluten here in SK? |
Um, do you make a habit of eating your toiletries? My understanding is that gluten is only a problem for celiacs if it's ingested.
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| One more thing: I am in the process of doing extensive research into the Korean food and drug industry as they apply to celiacs. I'm hiring a bilingual University student to help me. Does anyone have any thoughts/insight into this project? I want to publish information for other celiacs who want to travel Asia. |
Yes, I'd be happy to help you with this if I can. I'm a celiac who has lived here for nearly 4 years. PM me. |
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marylinda
Joined: 08 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:59 am Post subject: |
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hi everyone, i am so delighted to find this website. Myself and dh are going to seoul in march for a week and i am coeliac (irish, hence the spelling).
I was worried when I saw Hollywoodactions post about Korean rice being high in gluten. Is this correct. I will be eating out alot.
Thank you so much son deureo for the list of dishes that are gluten free in restaurants. Are you still in korea?
linzdude are you still there and how are you getting on? I would be very grateful if any of you could recommend some restaurants. We will be staying in namsan guesthouse near myeong dong I think is the address, and my son teaches in Nowon-gu so we will be out and about all over seoul i would think.
I was reading on other posts about the buffet restaurants. How would they be for us. They all seem to be in hotels which would probably make them expensive.
thanks in advance. Marylinda |
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