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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:56 am    Post subject: "MacArthur is a war criminal... " Reply with quote

Folk Singer Calls MacArthur a 'Murderer'
Asked if the lyrics might be too radical, Park said, "MacArthur is a war criminal who directly ordered massacres of civilians... As UN commander at the time, there are things he must take responsibility for."
Chosun Ilbo (September 9, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200509/200509090010.html
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"directly ordered massacres of civilians"?
Somebody's been reading the Dear Leader's blog again...
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great credentials - 'folk singer'... what he says must be true!
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Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ask anyone who lived through that time in Jeju and they'll tell you South Korean troops were the ones killing their friends and family. My girlfriend's family remember seeing people doused in oil and set on fire.
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Cthulhu



Joined: 02 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if McArthur's statue will still be there 20 years from now. If the Hangchonnyon wingnuts don't try to destroy it as a publicity stunt I'm guessing some future President of Korea will probably order it taken down in some appeasment to the next generation of nationalists.
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BigBlackEquus



Joined: 05 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Between verses two and three, Park adds his own narration. "Seize Seoul. There are girls and ladies there. For three days, Seoul will be yours -- UN Commander Douglas MacArthur, September 1950." Park says historical records confirm that this is an authentic quote by the maverick commander. "

Ah yes. Always helpful to gain the interest of Korean men by claiming that Western men have no goal in life other than to steal their women.
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That folk singer is the same guy who sang "F**cking USA". I wonder if he'll spice up the lyrics with a few foul words in English so you middle school hagwon teachers can have a whole new line of insults and misunderstandings about what words are 'unacceptable' in English.
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funplanet



Joined: 20 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what a cluelss bunch of folks.....keep biting the hand which feeds you and see what happens....

I CANNOT F*ING WAIT!!!!
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it interesting that the work 'fucking' is censored here, an American website, but it isn't in the Korean article.

Why was the reporter content in simply stating that the singer attributed the quote to McArthur? The ethical thing would have been to investigate the veracity of the quote, and inform the readers of the results. Considering the fact the article was filed a few weeks prior the APEC summit in Pusan, I can't stop myself from questioning the motives behind this article.
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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can listen to the song here

Give it a second to load.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hope nobody tells him about the rape of a Korean girl by PPCLI troops.

It would be nice to see some actual historians take up his Jeju claims, and right up an article on atrocities on Koreans by Koreans for an international periodical. There's nothing Koreans hate more than having their dirty laundry exposed, despite the fact they supposedly don't care what other people think.

I'm sure the MacArthur "quotation" can be proven apocryphal.
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kimchikowboy



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MacArthur DID attack civilians, against the orders of the president. Do a search for "bonus army."
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Leslie Cheswyck



Joined: 31 May 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kimchikowboy wrote:
MacArthur DID attack civilians, against the orders of the president. Do a search for "bonus army."


Yes, but that was all the fault of Koreans! Follow my logic, dude?
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djsmnc



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MacArthur was certainly a warmongering cowboy who made some mistakes in his career, but the thing that matters most in this issue is that the statue is honoring his service at Incheon, which basically saved the Korean Republic and led to the democracy that half of the peninsula has these days. I think the Koreans against the statue are upset that it's a statue of a foreigner instead of a Korean. Maybe they should replace the statue with a Hiddink statue but keep the same epithet about the Incheon landing Wink

Anyway, it's that singer that I really hate. Why doesn't he make a song about Fu**ing USSR? Or protest the Chinese for dragging the war on longer than it should have taken?
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hater Depot wrote:
Ask anyone who lived through that time in Jeju and they'll tell you South Korean troops were the ones killing their friends and family. My girlfriend's family remember seeing people doused in oil and set on fire.

No doubt, and I don't want belittle that or anything but do you really think MacArthur directly ordered UN forces to massacre civilians? "I want the troops to go out and kill lots of civilians."

Edit: Okay, I'm reading the rest of the thread now. Okay I'm going to look for 'bonus army' but I'm having a hard time believing I will find some thing that shows that MacArthur directly ordered troops to massacre civilians.

I feel wierd defending the guy- I recognize the daring and brilliance of the Inchon landing for what it was, but the guy was also mostly responsible for the Chinese entering the War and thereby prolonging it and indirectly leading to the deaths of many many people including of course many civilians. I just don't think he explicitely ordered his troops to go out and deliberately kill civilians.

But I'll see what the 'bonus army' search has to say.
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